Hi All, I'm stumped.

I finished my MT Conversion today (finally, its COLD in the bronx right now, and I was working outside) Once everything was back together, I go and try to crank the car and... CLICK,CLICK, CLICK, CLICK! At first I thought it was the main relay, but the goddamed thing is clicking. Then, I thought it was the starter (don't know how, I got it tested at autozone and it checked out fine) I pulled it back out, gave it a visual inspection cleaned the terminals and reinstalled it. Went back to crank, same click as before but now I could hear the starter trying to engage the flywheel, the engine felt as if it was going to crank, but never did.

Then I thought, ground strap. I checked it, its secure, the terminals were a bit corroded so I cleaned them up. Crank again, same ****. If I continue to crank I get a CEL; but when I go check the code the SRS light is the one that blinks (and continuously at that)


I know I installed the flywheel correctly, so what the ****? I'm leaning towards the starter still but I wanted to come in here and get some second opinions before I take the long *** walk (walk... ouch) to the zone.

BTW this is on a 94 EX coupe

Thanks in advance.

 

What starter are you using? The Auto or Manual one?

They are both different part #s, so essentially, different parts.

You need:

31200-PM3-J01RM

 

1994 Honda Civic EX 5MT:



31200-PM3-J01RM

1994 Honda Civic EX 4AT:



31200-P30-903

 

Hey Man,

Thank you for the reply. I thought the same the minute it happened the first time; that somehow I'd switched starters w/o knowing. But no, i'm using the correct starter. I was under the impression that the AT starter doesnt even fit in the MT flange.


Thanks again!

 

so it sounds like a lack of power to get the flywheel turning correct?

 

Basically, don't worry, i'm putting my comfortable sneakers on as we speak. It looks like I'll be taking that walk after all.


By the way, if anyone wants an AT tranny with about 90,000 Mi on it come by my house and get it off my lawn.

 

Anyone else?

 

Bump for any input!

 

Ok I have a bunch of questions maybe someone here can answer them, a disclaimer though, Before now i've only driven Automatics daily, so these most likely will sound noob-ish. sorry in advance!

1- should I be able to move the shift lever into gear w/o pressing in the clutch?

2- I wanted to check whether the mainshaft in the tranny was engaged to the flywheel and therefore to the crank, I put the tranny into gear (wheels off the ground) and spun the crank pulley with a rachet; the wheels turned. correct me if i'm wrong, but this would confirm that the transmission is engaged to the crank.

3- how much deflection of the release fork should there be when I press the clutch pedal?

4- Is there any way that my whole problem could be ccaused by an improperly installed clutch? I say clutch and not flywheel becacuse the flywheel is practically idiot proof.

Thanks!

 

yes, you can put it into gear with the car off. Stupid question....but did you check your battery? Plus did you hook up the clutch pedal switch. I don't think the relay would be clicking if you didn't(or at least hotwire it like I did). It sounds like you narrowed it down to either power to the starter or the starter itself

 

Thanks for the reply,

I know the battery is dead, I've tried to start the car with a booster pack and with jumper cables to both a teg and an accord. As for the clutch switch, they are both hooked up, the starter cut-out one with a relay and all as per the SM. It was tested before the AT tranny came out and worked fine.

My fear is that i'm going to have to pull the tranny back off which is why I asked if this problem could be caused by an improperly installed clutch and/or the tranny just not being on right.

Thanks Again

 

I think it shoudl start even if you clutch doesn't want to disangage all the way. Just start while in nuetral. And yes you should be able to put the car into gear with the clutch out (sometimes it doesn't want to go in).

Another question did you jump the Park/Nuetral switch?

I would get your battery load tested too.

 

add another ground from the tranny to the body.. if that doesnt work try it directly from the battery to the tranny..

 

Thank you all for the input.

I pulled the transmmission to double check my flywheel/clutch install; I will try all that once the transmission is back on. In the meantime does anyone have a picture of a properly installed clutch?

Yes I did wire in the cutout relay and it was working before I pulled the AT. (car wouldn't start unless clutch pedal was depressed). I wouldn't be that right now either because the starter does try to crank, its just kinda weak (even though I tried to start it with a booster pack and by jumping it, see above) I say its weak in comparison with the AT Starter.

Thanks!

 

seriously try what i said.. wen i converted my friends car the same thing happend and i had to do that

 

i had a starter checked at autozone before-they said it was fine.So i tried a friends starter(cuz i was skeptical) and the car started right up.I would try a new starter for the hell of it.

 

Try load testing your battery. Sometimes jumping or booster packs don't help. I had that happen to me twice.

 

Have you checked your fuel and spark?

 

Try push starting it and popping the clutch, that eliminates the starter and batt.

 

make sure you connect the ground over the transmission. Once i forgot to and my car would not turn on because the other ground wire was coroded. hopes this helps

 

I go and try to crank the car and... CLICK,CLICK, CLICK, CLICK

it sounds like you have a battery that needs to be charged. Load test i would do

 

I finished putting everything back together at around 10:30 last night, by that time it was too late for autozone. So what you're saying is that if my battery is bad, jumping and booster packs won't help?

Checked fuel and spark, they're fine.

thanks!

 

Do you have a ground from the front of the tranny to the body ? Is the one off the valve cover hooked up ? The ground off the thermostat hookd up ? Sounds like a ground issue to me or a bad starter if you have a good battery. Have soemone turn it over and hit the stater with a hammer and see if that helps.

 

yeah all the grounds are hooked up, but the battery is DEAD; which is why I was trying to jump it.

 

First of all...

MUCH props to you for working on your car outside in the bronx in dec.

First of all if you jump your car and the battery is so dead it wont hold a charge it still wont charge. Just go purchase an autolite for like 50 bux from autozone and be safe. But thats the noise u hear when the battery is dead or the starter is not working.