Hi Guys,

Just about to have a spoon LSD installed on my car,
Ive done a search, and checked out some websites.

AJ-Racing - would be one of those sites who advised that Special gear oil is required.

For those who have the LSD's are there any gear oils i can use?

MOTUL? CASTROL? etc...

thanks for your time,
your input would be much appreciated

over and out from the land down under

 

honda mtf

 

Correct me if I am wrong but I think Kaaz is the same as Spoon for LSDs. So use the Kaaz fluid.

 

goin to king to get my lsd installed and they can worry about what fluid they put in there

 

Motul appears to work quite well....

But I have had the most luck with Redline MTL and Ford Friction modifier.

This was until I sold my KAAZ for a Quaife....

Perhaps one more thing to take into account would be how/where you intend to drive the car.

If it is a track only car or a weekend ride, you might do best with the manufacturer's recommended fluids..... my above mentioned combo seems to work good on track and takes into consideration cold winter mornings and daily driving duties.....

 

DON'T use normal Honda MTF. The Spoon LSD calls for the Kaaz fluid. Nothing less because it will chatter.

Also, I'd highly recommend you break it in properly. Easy figure 8's for about 20 minutes in 2nd gear, pushing the clutch in around the corners

 

thanks for the replies guys...

break it in with figure 8's - check.

intended use will be for track work, however the car is a daily driver also.

im leaning towards a castrol or a MOTUL fluid as they have come recommended by mechanic and tuner respectively.

im in Australia and am awaiting someone to advise if they have kaaz fluid

thanks again

 

I'm also interested in what to use for the SPOON LSD....

I wonder what Wai used?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by markpaco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Correct me if I am wrong but I think Kaaz is the same as Spoon for LSDs. So use the Kaaz fluid.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The only Kaaz LSD's I've seen are clutch packs.

The only Spoon LSD's I've seen are Torsen axles.

Spoon advises the use of Kaaz clutch pack fluid in their Torsen axle LSD's, or are there Spoon LSD that are clutch packs and I just don't know about it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The only Kaaz LSD's I've seen are clutch packs.

The only Spoon LSD's I've seen are Torsen axles.

Spoon advises the use of Kaaz clutch pack fluid in their Torsen axle LSD's, or are there Spoon LSD that are clutch packs and I just don't know about it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where have you seen a Spoon Torsen LSD? Perhaps when going to the store to buy birdseed for your Dodo?

Spoons are a clutch-pack 1.5 way LSD.

 

I'm not familiar with that particular spoon part, but if it's clutch type then use gear oil. If it's helical, then use mtf.

I'm using the mobil 1 gear oil in my ats lsd equipped tranny. I've heard valvoline gear oil is recommended as well. The ATS gear oil is $100/ gal.....!

 

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If its helical, still use gear oil. MTF is cheap junk.

If its a clutch pack you will need to use some sort of friction modifier.

 

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...going to the store to buy birdseed for your Dodo? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, I was buying mice for the pteradactyl.

 

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Spoon advises the use of Kaaz clutch pack fluid in their Torsen axle LSD's, or are there Spoon LSD that are clutch packs and I just don't know about it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea, spoon is rebadging (surprised ) either a KAAZ or ATS lsd. It's definitely a clutch-pack and requires a fluid with a friction modifier.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by euG3dc2r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm also interested in what to use for the SPOON LSD....

I wonder what Wai used? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I used Motul gear oil.

 

I use Redline MT-90 with my Mugen LSD. A Motul with a friction modifier would be my other choice, if Redline wasn't so easy for me to obtain.

 

where did you find that spoon LSD i found one for k20 but im looking i look in inlinefour.com and they had tons of spoon parts but no spoon b series LSD and how much did you get it for

 

thanks for all your replies.


Since Castrol Syntrax and MOTUL 300V is readily available here in Australia (hard to find Kaaz gear oil) what kind of friction modifier should I use?

thanks again

 

Motul 300v is an engine oil.... i wouldnt recommend it.

http://www.motul.co.jp/eg/prod....html - thats probably what you want.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek004 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for all your replies.


Since Castrol Syntrax and MOTUL 300V is readily available here in Australia (hard to find Kaaz gear oil) what kind of friction modifier should I use?

thanks again </TD></TR></TABLE>

Pretty simple: call Kaaz USA and see what they recommend since you can't get a hold of their oil.

 

.RJ,

Sorry you are right, i meant MOTUL Gear oil 300.

thanks for the link, i will look into that cause I dont see that gear oil on our australian motul site.

update i just found that stuff on the MOTUL site, tim to call them

thanks

all your help has been much appreciated

 

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If its helical, still use gear oil. MTF is cheap junk.

If its a clutch pack you will need to use some sort of friction modifier.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Wha?

I'm changing the tranny fluid on both my cars soon... one clutch type and one oem honda... WTF should I use? I was using the mobil 1 synthetic 85w100 or some crap for the ats lsd, and honda mtf for the itr lsd.....

 

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Wha?

I'm changing the tranny fluid on both my cars soon... one clutch type and one oem honda... WTF should I use? I was using the mobil 1 synthetic 85w100 or some crap for the ats lsd, and honda mtf for the itr lsd..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

i'd say motul gear oil 300 if .rj's pending analysis back it up
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1073136

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Motul 300v is an engine oil.... i wouldnt recommend it.

http://www.motul.co.jp/eg/prod....html - thats probably what you want.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I heard about the Motul Gear FF, but when I asked about it 2 months ago, a Motul dealer told me it is not available yet, and the listed price on it was close to $100Cdn per Liter.

 

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Wha?

I'm changing the tranny fluid on both my cars soon... one clutch type and one oem honda... WTF should I use? I was using the mobil 1 synthetic 85w100 or some crap for the ats lsd, and honda mtf for the itr lsd..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

For the OEM diff, Motul gear 300 has been very good to me - I will give it a drive when I get home next week to see how it deals with cold temps though.

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i'd say motul gear oil 300 if .rj's pending analysis back it up
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1073136</TD></TR></TABLE>

Going to send off a virgin sample and the stuff thats' been in the 'box since august.