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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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So I am rebuilding my FIRST motor....yes yes, I am a virgin. Anyway, I need all the help I can get, and thought I could get some good pointers from you guys. It's an LS/VTEC bore/honed to 81.5mm with Eagle Rods and JE pistons (about 10.8:1). I am going to replace the bearings with OEM honda....what is proper way to find out what bearings I must order? With the JE/Eagle combo, I won't need a machine shop to press the bearings, correct? Is there anything I should replace (besides water & oil pump) while the motor is out?

All my clearances and torque specs etc. can be found in a haynes, or helms, right?

I'd really just like to hear your guy's first time honda building experience and get some pointers from what you guys think I should know. TIA.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 05:18 AM
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if i'm correct there should be a stamping in the crank i belive it's a number thats the number honda uses for the bearing size and the bearings to press out once you have the caps off you should be able to pull them off and yes a helms should have every spec for your car........good luck
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 07:32 AM
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Best engine build article ever!!!! I hope that answers some of your questions.

Phil
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaguyef &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Best engine build article ever!!!! I hope that answers some of your questions.

Phil</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I've read this article NUMEROUS times...but he kinda looses me on the bearing selection part.

From my understanding is you measure the thickness of your used bearing, then measure the clearence with plastiguage, but I don't understand how those measurements then correlate with the stampings in the motor. Could somebody please clear this up for me?!?!?!
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:04 AM
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there is a code stamped on the top of the block and the crank, you need to match these up, and compare with the honda manual. It will tell u then what color bearing you need. (the thicknesses are in colors) Your def going to want someone to help you with this that can lood at the crank and block so u dont screw it up.

After u get them all, then u plastiqauge to make sure clearances are all white.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:10 AM
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I have been told to measure the bearing thickness and clearances first in order to avoid ordering the wrong bearing colors. How can I go about doing this?
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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order a set of ACL's and call it a day.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 08:26 PM
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so is it going to be a problem in my situation using a GSR Crank from my blown block in a new GSR block that was just align honed?
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delacampos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">order a set of ACL's and call it a day.</TD></TR></TABLE>


That's what I'm thinking
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:14 PM
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The motor is an LS/VTEC, what haynes manual should I buy? 90-93 integra, or are all b-series the same?
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 02:22 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delacampos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">order a set of ACL's and call it a day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good suggestion . I'll probably never use OEM bearings again.

Phil
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 07:22 AM
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How is using ACLs any different, dont you still have to measure all the clearances?
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 07:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beta13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so is it going to be a problem in my situation using a GSR Crank from my blown block in a new GSR block that was just align honed?</TD></TR></TABLE>
shouldn't be as long as your crank wasn't damaged. just check the clearances. the ACL's are pretty much dead on everytime I've used them.


Spankjelly... http://palpatine.infinitedata.net/~jonna/helms.zip
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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yes but you don't have all the color coding bs to find the right bearings. ACL's usually fall in the middle of the clearance specs from honda
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 07:42 AM
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the acls might fall right in the middle, but the clearances can be different, which is why the block and crank have been coded. Its not going to be the same size gap in each journal. So why put the same size bearing in there?? Some bearings will be bearing more of a load than others.
Honda didnt do the color coded thickness scheme because they thought it was fun! It was done for a reason, longevity.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 04:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delacampos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
shouldn't be as long as your crank wasn't damaged. just check the clearances. the ACL's are pretty much dead on everytime I've used them.


Spankjelly... http://palpatine.infinitedata.net/~jonna/helms.zip</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey, thanks for the link. I really appreciate it.
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