Hey I tried searching but really didnt come up with the info that i was looking for.

I am just trying to find a dyno chart of a toda header on a realitivly stock Type R motor. to see how much power it made and were in the power band it did the best at.

also how does this Toda header stack up against the Smsp header.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

 

Mike did you look for the great header test?

that might help you.

 

thanks

 

On my jdm spec motor... 98+ so the same cams as 00-01. AEM CAI, toda and 2.5in exhaust, 2.5 highflow cat, hondata .... 182/124. Good midrange, 94degree temps Fuel was into the 12s also up top.

Would post the graph for you... but moved my backups to another drive... and it went kaboom on me

 

Here's another interesting link worth looking at : https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=699674

 

imho, it's the best off the shelf header made. period.

 

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Forgot to say this in my post also. Oh and talk to BrewcityR or Chris N we have a toda out here for sale

 

how is ground clearance on the two headers, do they bolt on to a bone stock ITR or do I need full exaust? I also have been debating over these 2 headers for my R...Thanks

 

Ground clearance is excellent, one of the best if i remember right. To use it on a stock itr you'll need one thing... a custom cat. SMSP (Dave) I think sells testpipes and cats that will bolt right up... and a piece that can be used to get rid of the stock exhaust bottleneck.

 

do these headers pass emission? what kind of cat/testpipe would be best?

 

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JDM ITR cat with 02 bung welded to it.... and whaddya know? I have one. ....and a Toda header. See below. :hyjack:

 

TODA is bling but expensive. Bert-O can probably get you a Comptech Race header. Dave's headers have to be hand built to order pretty much and there is a wait involved with that. If you dont tune with a wide band with these headers, they run rich as crap before tuned on the dyno.

210-215whp can be had pretty easily on a fresh motor, on a used motor with about 80K on there 200+ might be hard to touch however attainable.

Suggest:

BC3+ cams, gears (560.00) (can run on R valvetrain under 9K)
310cc RC injectors (350.00)
Comptech Race Header (call bert-0)
Custom 2.5" testpipe (kteller.com)
T1-R Exhaust (aj-racing.com)
Socketed P28, Uberdata tuned by Darin @ TitanMotorsports

You could touch 200 with your ITR leaving everything else stock. If you want to save even more money looking forward to that header bling... just get a JDM DC
4-1. I mean, they really do work well... the 4-2-1 stepped headers like Hytech, SMS, etc are expensive and something to work up to IMHO. I dont see any reason why an ITR with 10.6:1 couldnt hit 190-ish with the parts I mentioned with right tuning on a JDM DC 4-1. Later on, once you find a good deal on the upgrade, you should be able to retune and find power. Considering I have seen a poor man's ITR with a GSR head make over 190 on a JDM DC, through a 2.5" exhaust with no cat and a mild cam, I know an ITR can do it with right tuning. This car was WELL BEATEN...

hope this helps

 

Not sure if you're wanting to track/race the car, but I do and that is why I have the Toda. I'd love to have an SMS, but quite simply, I have too many nightmares about the lack of clearance biting me. The Toda tucks up very nicely, whereas the SMS/Hytech/etc sit a good bit lower. They're great pieces, just not practical for my needs.

Jason-
who wishes he never went off the track, so he wouldn't have to worry about it


Modified by Jason Franza at 7:45 AM 12/7/2004

 

I'm living proof of Jason's concern. The Comptech race header has really low clearance and I flattened mine during a brief 4 wheels off. I'm sporting a Toda now. Losing a pony or two is worth the extra 2" of ground clearance. The SMSP (if you can GET one ) has clearance somewhere between the Toda and Comptech.

 

Well, I didn't wanna speak for ya, but you did come to mind

 

why do you say the toda header is better than the smsp header?

 

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On the dyno, it's not. It's the availability and ground clearance that puts the Toda ahead of SMSP and Hytech for some people.

 

The ground clearance with my pieces are dependent on the version of header one gets.

Here is the GSR style (same tubing diameters as the ITR just a different configuration) you can't use the stock ITR tranny to block support for this but that's not a big deal.



The ITR Header using the stock support





Just for comparison, the JDM ITR OEM 4-1

 

I stand corrected...SMSP clearance may be as good, or better than TODA.

 

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Now that I think about it, my SMSP header is the first generation. Looking at my track pictures, I can clearly see in the photos taken from the front that the header is lower than the more recent SMSP design.

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You can't get any closer than that.

 

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Now that I think about it, my SMSP header is the first generation. Looking at my track pictures, I can clearly see in the photos taken from the front that the header is lower than the more recent SMSP design.

You can't get any closer than that.</TD></TR></TABLE>


so i am taking it that the ITR header will sit somewhat the same as this GSR header in the pic?

if so then i see no issues hitting stuff.

 

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Ditto.

 

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Ditto.</TD></TR></TABLE>


ditto.

AND Dave @ SMS is about as nice as a guy can get.

AND he can custom make the headers to your liking.


-the r0cker, who didn't want his previous post to come off as a bash on the other great headers out there..... I like toda, SMSP, and Hytech. I'd like to have one of each! :D

 

i have no more problems from stock on ground clearance with the smsp. I believe its the same as stock, never ever have i scratched on a speed bump with either and i have a -4 cm drop.

 

where can i find an SMSP or TODA header? anyone know the prices?