How is this header so expensive compared to other headers? Is it that great, or is just that it is very reliable? If I get the same grade steel and have someone weld me one that is the same specs as the SMSP, will it be the same? I just cannot see how a header can cost $1200 American. Do you know how much that is in Canadian dollars¿! That is like $10,000!!!

But seriously, I cannot see that this header can be much better than one I get made that is the same grade steel and has the same specs as the SMSP.

 

and precisely how will you get these specs? It does have excellent quality parts, but you are also paying somewhat for R&D

 

go buy some rota's like the rest of the posers.

 

Why don't you buy the materials, get the spec's and build one.

I'd like to see the dyno results of your backyard built header versus SMSP's R&D backed header

 

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HEY! They were cheap, OK!

 

Why would I do that as I am not no poser you piece of poo I would rather make my own parts rather than buying some overpriced piece of metal. Is there something wrong with that, or does all the ricers want to make their own parts these days¿?¿

That's what I thought.

 

That is exactly what I'm talking about.....did I ask the question wrong here or something, why can no-one give me a good answer? Not that im complaining as all feedback is good. I want to get the materials and find out what the specs are and make the header......im just wondering if there would be any difference in performance with something that was made compared to paying over a grand for something that was premade.

i.e. SMSP Header vs. Homemade header to the same specs as the SMSP header.

 

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that and i :love: my rotas!

i wish i could get a rota sponsorship for HC.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lewdude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is exactly what I'm talking about.....did I ask the question wrong here or something, why can no-one give me a good answer? Not that im complaining as all feedback is good. I want to get the materials and find out what the specs are and make the header......im just wondering if there would be any difference in performance with something that was made compared to paying over a grand for something that was premade.

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Any custom header will cost 1200 bucks or so. It takes a very skilled welder to be able to even copy dave does with his header. On top of that, dave spent tons of time testing this puppy out from performance to fitment, and came down with a final design. You're not just paying for metal, you're paying for research, craftsmanship, marketing, etc. It costs 1200 bucks because that's how much these things cost.

You could design your own, but i hope you are proficient with solidworks, fluid mechanics, welding/fabrication, material science, statics, and tons of other things. Then you'll need to get your hands on a plasma cutter, a TIG welder, a mandrel pipe bender, a ton of other machine equipment.

And in the end it'll prob cost just as much if not more. One off fabrication isn't cheap.

 

"you get what you pay for"


nuff said

 

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That was one of the stupidest responses I've read in a long time. Anyway yeah there is a lot of r&d put into the sms header. if you have any type of expeirence with fabricatiing and welding then i suppose its possible for you to duplicate the header. But you may or may not be able to duplicate it's performance. Is it over priced?? yeah I think it is. No way the cost of material is over a grand per header. Most likely you are paying for the labor involved in creating the header.(And we all know that labor is were all the expense comes from) Since I have no welding skills at all i would gladly part with my Grand for this header because it is one of the best available today. (Dyno tuned and tested against others)

 

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Paying someone else to do it? In your other post you say "I would rather make my own parts..." So which is it? If someone else is doing it you'll be paying them $50-$100/hr shop rates so it won't take long to reach $1200. It also assumes you have an SMSP header to copy...

Look, a header is just some pipes and a flange, if you're going to steal his design, no doubt later claiming it to be your "own" design, sure, if you make it the same size and shape it'll work the same.

 

Don't be a douchebag, give dave the credit (and cash) that he deserves for his header.

 

Just call Dave and ask for his "specs".


He designed it and you are blatantly saying you want to steal his design,

thief.

 

Sorry, I should have elaborated on that. My step father is a mechanic with all the tools to make this happen. He has been an experienced welder, mechanic, engineer for many years now and he knows he can make a header no problem, with my help of course to the same specs as the smsp header.

We are also getting into making our own carbon fiber materials and fiberglass bodykits. That's not the point of this topic though, just thought I would give some of the skills that are behind us.

Sure im going to steal the design, but in no way will I be telling people that this is "MY" header. I am not a liar, and why wouldn't I tell others that I stole the specs and made my own with alot of help of course! How many people have the opportunity to learn how to use pipe benders and plasma cutters for free¿!

When it is all said and done, I will dyno and post the results.......telling everyone that this is MY Header! muwahahaha!

 

Well, im not rich and I live on my own so I cannot afford whatever it is in Canadian dollars to purchase this. I don't see why it is such a big deal to use someone else's specs of their work to use for myself. It's not like im going to mass produce it and sell it all over Canada or anything.

I just cannot see spending over a grand for header, it just doesn't make sense to me when I have the access to make my own. But whatever, flame all you want....im still going to make it for way less money and more satisfaction.

 

Your gonna spend more money trying to get yours made. Afterwards your gonna be like dang why didnt i just save the headache and purchase the real deal. Also you should look into rage design headers (prospeed,kteller,an-r) bc they make almost as much power for 550.

 

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That is awlful. Dave has spent countless hours, time, money developing his header for the H22. No, you can't have it and copy it. This is sick..

Corey - who has a lot of personal time working on the SMSP header R&D himself...