I was just wondering which do you guys think is more efficient...doing the gsr head and int he future boosting it with turbo...or doing a H22 and in future boost with turbo....I heard the H22 are heavier engines tho...
thank you

 

I assume u talking about LS vtec and boost...i would go the GSR head way and boost .... h22 swap is kinda hard u will probably will have to dish out more cash

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GG-SquadDB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h22 swap is kinda hard u will probably will have to dish out more cash </TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly... the H22 isn't quite the drop in swap the full GS-R is or even the LS/VTEC is alot easier than the H22 swap...

and i'm sure you can do your own figures the LS/VTEC if that is what you were talking about puts down nearly as much as the H22 with less weight and alot less hassle... i would either do that or a straight GS-R if you intend to boost cause god knows how pistons under boost love oil being squirted at the bottom of them to be cooled down (an option the LS does not have, reason i favor the whole GS-R swap if affordable)

 

H22 all the way. it makes awsome power as a stock motor swap. I just finished doing it on my civc, and will definitely be doing one for my db7 when the stock LS motor dies.

 

If you have the cash i would go with the H22, its got hellacious torque compared to the b18 and a lot of potential. My buddy has a boosted H22 hatch civic and it is wicked fast. Just my 2cents

 

it depends on how much money you have. the h22 swap and turbo is going to be alot more money. i think just going with the ls/vtec and boosting that would be a better idea. besides, youll save alot of money and with the money you have left over you can buy things to fortify the ls block from the boost or get a hondata and tune the **** out of your setup.

 

H22 and Turbo

 

h22 until you get bored, and durint that time.. save for turbo

 

ls/vtec and boost all the way

 

if you got the dough go for the h22 swap and then save to turbo that, im told the h22 swap takes alot of time, but i would definately do it to go wit the torque, if you dont got that much then go for the ls/vtec its probably almost just as well, and it weighs less too

 

teh rediculous torque of the stock h22 motor makes up for the extra 50 or so pounds that you are adding. the swap is not difficult if you do the research adn make sure you have everythign before you start. I swapped my motor into my civic in about 1 hr, and it took about 1hr to get it going. my wires were crap

 

how much owuld price ranges be for the ls/vtech and for the h22 swap??

 

ls/vtec cause its just less money

 

If you gander over to importreview.com you can see that h22's do not make a great deal more power or tq over a decent ls/vtec setup...and furthermore you are limited to 1 other possible tranny wich is not the equal of the best possible tranny on the B...and furthermore on top of that if you plan to turn your beast in a manner be-fitting an integra, well just plain forget about that the H22 weighs just over a 100 lbs more than a B and the integra is already front heavy at 60/40...and furthermore my boy has an h22 teg and I spanked it everytime we raced in a mostly stock ls.If you plan on just going to the drag races then by all means go h22 route.no replacement for displacment/ unless you have a 4.75 final drive 8-)

 

where can find 98 front in for integra

 

where can i find 98 front end for integra

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MugenRacerX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can see that h22's do not make a great deal more power or tq over a decent ls/vtec setup...</TD></TR></TABLE>

LMAO&gt;.. how much torque are LS/vtecs making these days? 130 ft/lbs? my h22 is sitting at a comfortable 160ft/lbs or torque and 183 WHP... bone stock. this is going to be consistantly more reliable then an ls/vtec, any day of the week

 

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LMAO&gt;.. how much torque are LS/vtecs making these days? 130 ft/lbs? my h22 is sitting at a comfortable 160ft/lbs or torque and 183 WHP... bone stock. this is going to be consistantly more reliable then an ls/vtec, any day of the week</TD></TR></TABLE>

He is definetly correct... ls/vtec is not nearly as reliable or powerful as an h22 swap... ls/vtec is good, but the difference in reliability and power will bite u in the ***.. If u have the money to go h22.... DO IT!

 

dont get me twisted I do realise the h22 makes more tq than ls/vtec but 30lbs of tq isnt worth F**8g up my turning radius and weight transfer and 30tq in a teg with h22 is not likely gonna beat 30 less with a similar hp number ls/vtec with a itr tranny. really its a matter of opion but the weight issue is a fact,and as far as reliabilty the h22 carrys a poorer rod/ratio than a b18b...

also if you go over to import review like I suggested you would see a number of ls/vtecs making 140 to 155 ft lbs all in all the extra tq out of the box doesnt seem worth the weight penalty.

 

I'd just boost your b18b or swap in an h22. If you want vtec, just swap in a gsr, cheaper than going lsvtec.

Plus it all depends on your budget and power goals.

 

h22 = Problems- harder to find parts.


And if u ever want to go back to a B Series motor you have to weld new Mounts again. Its alot to do..


Just go b20 vtec for the torque.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JB20VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h22 = Problems- harder to find parts.


And if u ever want to go back to a B Series motor you have to weld new Mounts again. Its alot to do..


Just go b20 vtec for the torque. </TD></TR></TABLE>

you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MugenRacerX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but 30lbs of tq isnt worth F**8g up my turning radius and weight transfer and 30tq in a teg with h22 is not likely gonna beat 30 less with a similar hp number ls/vtec with a itr tranny. </TD></TR></TABLE>


if you have not driven an H22 swapped car then you have no idea what you are talking about.


Modified by B16B at 11:25 PM 12/1/2004

 

do oyu guys know price ranges for the h22 swap and for the ls/vtech

 

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you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

if you have not driven an H22 swapped car then you have no idea what you are talking about.


Modified by B16B at 11:25 PM 12/1/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>

First of all,My brother has a Eg with a h22.. and if u never did the swap yourself u would never know... So I do know what im talking about.

 

gsr head