i was woundering if the crower rodbolts are good or should i go with arp rod bolts

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poorman-type-r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was woundering if the crower rodbolts are good or should i go with arp rod bolts</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stick w/ ARP's.. all they do is bolts, and they've been in the business for a long *** time. I have yet to see a arp bolt go bad.

 

ok let me ask this are crower bolts known to brake ??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poorman-type-r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok let me ask this are crower bolts known to brake ??</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wasn't even aware that crower made bolts.. thats the thing.

ARP makes nothing but bolts... which one would be the wise choice to go with?

 

well the rods i have are new from crower and the have crower rod bolts these areon crower rods of coarse

 

If i were you invest in some arp's and get those pressed out and resize w/ for some arp's.

Even eagle runs ARP's along w/ many other companies who manufacture rods, I think crower is just trying to save some $$ by not running arp's. Instead they make their own.

Is there any specs on the bolts? grade? tensil strength? sheer strength?

 

if you have extra cash to spend, do what featherweight said.
if you're on somewhat of a budget...leave em be.
time will tell, but ARP's are proven.
although i can say that i have not seen any stories of people with crower rods (assuming they leave the crower bolts in) failing either.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EVOL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you have extra cash to spend, do what featherweight said.
if you're on somewhat of a budget...leave em be.
time will tell, but ARP's are proven.
although i can say that i have not seen any stories of people with crower rods (assuming they leave the crower bolts in) failing either.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yea thats y i asked i have not seen any stories about the crowers i am some what on a budget 2

 

i highly doubt that crower makes their own bolts in house. it would be worth finding out though.

carrillo makes their own bolts or relabels someone elses.
I posted this a week or so ago...

some nice carrillo rods


carrillo A-Beam vs H-beam rods




crower, i forgot which version these are.


manley rods


eagle with the 3/8's

 

I'm sure crower's bolts will be fine. They know a hell of alot more than most of us................John

 

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, I hope you're not touching a motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22John &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sure crower's bolts will be fine. They know a hell of alot more than most of us................John</TD></TR></TABLE>
all that matters is the designer of the bolt/rod is smart and uses a good design for the bolt. im sure if you get a a phat order from arp they can put a different stamp at the end of the bolt. so someone needs to call crower and find out what bolts they use.

 

what's your setup?
i believe omniman was using completely stock gsr rods in his b20vtec, and has even snapped a timing belt on that setup but no ill stories about the stock gsr rods/bolts.
i'm gonna guess unless you're pushing super high hp numbers and or revving to 10k, you'll be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FeatherWeight &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

, I hope you're not touching a motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>Why not? I work on engines every day. Give me one good reason why Crowers bolts are bad............John...................edit, just noticed your an 04'er

 

Several things come to mind.

1) I very seriously down Crower makes bolts. The tooling and assets to manufacturer bolts is simply ludicrous and cost prohibitive if you are only making "rod bolts". Crower is most likely outsourcing for their bolt supply. A simple phone call will probably end this whole discussion, but I am too lazy to call them.

2) What in the world are you even doing with your motor, that you would even begin to be worried about the rod bolts on a set of Crower forged steel rods breaking?

3) To debate between Crower and ARP bolts is silly without even determining who makes Crower's bolts. I would almost wager you are argueing between ARP and ARP.

4) Maybe I am going out on a limb here, but being that this is a all-motor section, I suspect it would be a cold day in hell before you failed a Crower rod or bolt with a N/A Honda 4 cylinder.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BryanPendleton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Several things come to mind.

1) I very seriously down Crower makes bolts. The tooling and assets to manufacturer bolts is simply ludicrous and cost prohibitive if you are only making "rod bolts". Crower is most likely outsourcing for their bolt supply. A simple phone call will probably end this whole discussion, but I am too lazy to call them.

2) What in the world are you even doing with your motor, that you would even begin to be worried about the rod bolts on a set of Crower forged steel rods breaking?

3) To debate between Crower and ARP bolts is silly without even determining who makes Crower's bolts. I would almost wager you are argueing between ARP and ARP.

4) Maybe I am going out on a limb here, but being that this is a all-motor section, I suspect it would be a cold day in hell before you failed a Crower rod or bolt with a N/A Honda 4 cylinder. </TD></TR></TABLE>
sort of what i was trying to say, except way better

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22John &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why not? I work on engines every day. Give me one good reason why Crowers bolts are bad............John...................edit, just noticed your an 04'er</TD></TR></TABLE>

don't assume. he's been on h-t since before me.

 

ok called Crower andthey said A-1 thread manufactures there bolts

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poorman-type-r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok called Crower andthey said A-1 thread manufactures there bolts</TD></TR></TABLE>
Guess I would have lost that bet.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22John &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why not? I work on engines every day. Give me one good reason why Crowers bolts are bad............John...................edit, just noticed your an 04'er</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why not? well ****.. a person that knows what makes a GOOD bolt.. doesn't say **** like this.. <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22John &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sure crower's bolts will be fine. They know a hell of alot more than most of us................John</TD></TR></TABLE>


2nd - Who said they were bad? I simply made a comparision if you took your time and read what I wrote.

Known company thats been in the business manufacturing mainly bolts.. or crower which isn't known for their rod bolts are they?

Whats the wise person choose?

I also said that he can email crower to ask them for the specs of the bolts so that you can compare them to arp's. (tensil strength, sheer strength, grade... etc) Have you heard of any of those terms other than grade? I doubt it.

3rd - I'm an 04'er? HAHAHA...if you knew who I was you know I've been around and back again smart ***.

From the looks of its you're 2 months away from being "an 04'er" and you probably are. so who are you to talk down on other ht'ers

For the record, I'm 00-01 if that even matters, chump.

With a smile.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poorman-type-r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok called Crower andthey said A-1 thread manufactures there bolts</TD></TR></TABLE>

Now ask for more detailed info on the bolts, like I posted earlier.. "tensil strength, sheer strength, grade of bolt."

See what they give you, email that same email to arp.. then you'll have a good comparsion.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BryanPendleton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guess I would have lost that bet. </TD></TR></TABLE>

nothing wrong with an educated guess

 

Then why did you say you hope i'm not touching a motor? You were a jerk, period. The guy's on a budget, i said i'm sure crowers bolts will be fine. Somehow that makes me an undesirable person to touch a motor................And as for me being an o3'er , well I've owned hondas now for ...............17 years woopdedoo. And yeah I agree I would prefer ARP bolts to anyones, but I would'nt make a fuss over it if I were in a financial bind....................John

 

wow, i cant believe that you guys are arguing over a bolt.


You guys are arguing without facts.


Jeez, you know nothing about how A-1 bolts are made and you've just heard that ARP is good... so you are going to say spend a 40 dollars a rod for new bolts and to get them resized. That is brillant.


This thread brings nothing to the honda-tech community

What if these crower bolts are 10x better than ARP? What would you say?

Honestly, when you DONT know, you should say

"ARP is established, but I dont know anything about crower bolts, it would be interesting to see how they stack up."
or
"Crower has been making engine parts for years, they build very high quality parts, as does ARP. It would be interesting to check out both manufacturing processes"

My OPINION-

Both are well suited for anything 99.9% of consumers can throw at it.

Crower has high quality standards, just like ARP.

You guys can keep arguing about something you have no facts on...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FeatherWeight &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If i were you invest in some arp's and get those pressed out and resize w/ for some arp's.

Even eagle runs ARP's along w/ many other companies who manufacture rods, I think crower is just trying to save some $$ by not running arp's. Instead they make their own.

Is there any specs on the bolts? grade? tensil strength? sheer strength?</TD></TR></TABLE>


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FeatherWeight &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Known company thats been in the business manufacturing mainly bolts.. or crower which isn't known for their rod bolts are they?

Whats the wise person choose?

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FeatherWeight &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
, I hope you're not touching a motor.

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Okay, hurray for someone that has absolutely nothing to say but recommend ARP for no reason cept "he isnt familar with crower"


Even if a company claims to have XXX tensil strength,XXX sheer strength, grade XXX bolt, you want consistancy...

Seriously, I dont know how you can tell someone to spend over a 160 dollar on something you know nothing about.