I was reading a post the other day and someone said that ss was not stiff enough to be competitive in auto x. I have a 92 GS-R and they don't make a ton of stuff for this car full coil-over wise and that post shattered my dream's of building an auto x car.

Does anyone know of any other coil-over's that are for DA's that could take the abuse of auto x?
Or if the ss is my best bet?
Also i've heard that you could put g3 suspension system's in DA's with some modification, is this true and will it still be as stable as a system
built for the car?

I really appreciate any advise...

 

the ss is 16-way damping adjustable....itll be like a rock...

 

It may be 16 way adjustable, but remember, the spring rates are 448f/336 rear. So take that into consideration on how stiff it will be.

 

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Just cuz it's 16 way adjustable, doesn't mean it's badass. The spring rates are too soft, so even on full stiff, it's not that great. The SS can be used for auto-x, but they aren't that stiff if you are serious about it. My friend has them, and he is way less than impressed. I would rather get GCs with custom rates and Koni Yellows, than get the SS. They are Super Street, a street coilover. My friend has the Flex, and they aren't even that great either. His on full stiff handle worse than my RE on 7f, 5r. The rates have alot to do with it, and the SS have shitty rates.

 

my bad.....im not big on the autox scene so

 

GC + custom rate spring will do

 

Do GC with yellow's come with pillow mounts and what sort of rates should i get?
Where can i order this stuff on the web?

I'm kind of a noob at this in depth suspension tech so you have to bare with me.
Thanx in advance

 

as every car's suspension setup is different, u really need to experiment with spring rates. but for autoX, the spring-rates really depends on your car, track surface etc, but for the most part most people do run quite stiff rates. u can get custom rates starting at 400/500 or 500/600

 

any more input? what are the best sites to buy from?
Thank You everyone that has given me advise

 

I have Tein SS coilovers.. they are great for the streets. Im going to emphasize that these are a PERFECT street setup. Although the spring rates are a little too soft to be competitive with. I would suggest that IF you do in fact go with the SS setup, you should upgrade the springs to teins higher spring rated springs.. and get the shocks re-valved.

 

where could i get the stiffer springs and have them re-valved if i go that route...i've been leaning towards the tein's since you can get ones with pillow mounts....
Have you done this or do you have experience with working with someone else that has it?

 

You have to get the stiffer rates, and the shocks revalved by Tein themselves.

 

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Those spring rates are fine for autox. It will be quite awhile before a beginning driver will want something stiffer than that.

A rear swaybar would go a long way isntead of a stiffer spring it you wanted incresed roll resistance.

 

they are ok once you get a feel for them you will probably want to mess with the spring rates.... adjusting the dampining doesnt really help because it has to coordinate with the spring rate and the shock being valved correctly. I suggested a non adjustable dampening coilover setup ie; Omni Tanabe Zeal H&R there are many dont get caught in the craze. Good luck.

 

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Those spring rates are fine for autox. It will be quite awhile before a beginning driver will want something stiffer than that.

A rear swaybar would go a long way isntead of a stiffer spring it you wanted incresed roll resistance.

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agreed

 

That will fit in a g2....? i don't think any of those brands make a coil-over that fits on a DA. but i may be wrong.

 

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Those spring rates are fine for autox. It will be quite awhile before a beginning driver will want something stiffer than that.

A rear swaybar would go a long way isntead of a stiffer spring it you wanted incresed roll resistance.

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If you really like the Teins, don't let the spring rate issue stop you. If you find that it's not a good setup, you could buy some custom rate Eibach ERS in 2.5" ID. They sell a variety of rates on springs that range from 4" to 10" of free length. If you go in the road race/autocross forum, there is a FS/WTB thread for springs at the top - you could get a few pairs for $60-80 each and test them out. I think Teins are 2.75" ID spring, so I bet a 2.5 would fit - but I don't have my Teins anymore to measure.

As for revalving, call Tein USA and see how much it would be. I know they do offer that service - not as many people do it as with Koni, but it's still done.

As for the G2, you can run any coilover setup for an EG/DC as long as you buy new front drop forks. The rears bolt up perfectly.


Modified by purplegsr (Exospeed) at 9:18 PM 11/17/2004

 

I've been autocrossing since 1998 on Tokico Illumina 5 ways with H&R sport springs. I've won numerous local championships in STS but it wouldn't be a nationally competetive setup. I would recomend Koni Yellow double adjustables with Ground Control coil overs. That seems to be what most of the autocrossers use.

 

Fist of all i'm sorry i ask so many questions
Second of all i need to learn some time and this thread has cleared up alot of questions i had and i thank everyone for there input

So if i use G3 (94-97) forks they bolt up.
The back ones don't need any modification?
There are no other issues as far as clearance or overall length with the G3 forks?
Do you think it would be better to go with a suspension system that was made to bolt into my chassis or is it fine to go with a G3 suspension which would open up alot more options for me?

Other wise i looked on the Tein USA site the replacement springs cost 50 bucks each, as for re-valving, i'd have to call as previously stated.
http://www.tein.com/stsp.html

 

I personally wouldn't get Tein SS..........the spring rates are wayyy too low. Even with Tein Flex (7k, 5k) on full stiff shock setting is not great. It all depends on what you want.

For an entry level coilover for the streets, sure why not. But if your gonna autoX i'd go with some custom spring rated GC coilovers with Koni Yellows.

 

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For an entry level coilover for the streets, sure why not. But if your gonna autoX i'd go with some custom spring rated GC coilovers with Koni Yellows.

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Thank you. Finally an intelligent person. The SS are not that great. If you want a really really good Tein coilover, I suggest either the RA or the RE. I have the RE, and they are the ****.

 

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Thank you. Finally an intelligent person. The SS are not that great. If you want a really really good Tein coilover, I suggest either the RA or the RE. I have the RE, and they are the ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hahhaa, no problem man.......

I've just been thru alot of suspension setups, and have tried out my buddies setups as well. Alot of people think the entry level Tein's are dope, but its all the marketing and the JDM bling factor IMO. The Tein RA's are freakin dope, I was lucky enough to get a ride in a car with them. If I were to get Tein's for autoX'ing, i'd get the Tein HA's at least.

I've ran 16k front 14k rear springs on my teg before, so the 7k front 5k rear are NOTHING!!!

 

i believe the omniman coilovers for the 90-93 tegs should be out soon. otherwise use a coilover from a 3rd gen with 3rd gen front forks.the rear will bolt right in

 

what if i would go with something like the RA's, on Tein's site i understood they are only made for the Type R. How on earth could that work. a G3 R coil-over in a DA???

 

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To be able to run a G3 ITR coilover in a DA, all you'd need are G3 front forks and the ITR rear lower control arms. My friend did this DA -&gt; G3 ITR suspension conversion as well............