S. Bearing
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the same question has been asked 2 other times, J's racing also make some.
NO one was able to come up with an answer.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1049774
NO one was able to come up with an answer.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1049774
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Re: S. Bearing (newgsr)
That product is by procarinnovation, works great I have it on my race race car,retail is 249. That version is the race version where most classes require the use of all the factory pick up points, and also the bearing slides back and forth on the steel shaft when the suspension travels up an down wich could make noise in bad weather or very long road trips, cars with race suspension wich have only a few inches of travel during driving should'nt have any prolems on the srteet, 8K on my friends car no problems at all. A street verion will be released in about two weeks, same part except the steel shaft is fixed to the bearing and does'nt slide, with this design you must remove the toe link, the steel shaft will have slotted holes and toe will be adjusted here.
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Re: S. Bearing (MSchu)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wouldn't this spherical bearing cause more movement, laterally, in the rear than an oem or Mugen type?
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Man those look great I may try one for next year
</TD></TR></TABLE>Man those look great I may try one for next year
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Re: S. Bearing (eg6vtec1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg6vtec1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, it has full movment</TD></TR></TABLE>
do they have a website or phone number? or is JHP the only place that sells it
do they have a website or phone number? or is JHP the only place that sells it
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Re: S. Bearing (MSchu)
That's funny I just came across these on JHP USA's website the other day as well. They look pretty damn nice to me.
Like to hear some more thoughts on using spherical bearings in the trailing arms.
Like to hear some more thoughts on using spherical bearings in the trailing arms.
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Re: S. Bearing (JS_TypeR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JS_TypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Awesome product</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you have any actual experience with this?
Or is it more like "it sure looks pimpy, and its got a JHP logo on it, so it must be JDM and the shizzle dizzle!"
Awesome product</TD></TR></TABLE>Do you have any actual experience with this?
Or is it more like "it sure looks pimpy, and its got a JHP logo on it, so it must be JDM and the shizzle dizzle!"
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Re: S. Bearing (.RJ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have any actual experience with this?
Or is it more like "it sure looks pimpy, and its got a JHP logo on it, so it must be JDM and the shizzle dizzle!"</TD></TR></TABLE>
My main concern would be: "Would the cost justify the means?" Does it make enough difference to justify 250$?... I doubt it. Considering the Mugen bushings are an improvement over the stock bushing and that "Racing" Suspension only has a small amount of travel.. would the 250$ part be THAT much better then the 114$ Mugen part?
Not all of us who race are rich.. that's why it's important to think like this. Also, for those of you who DON'T race and are thinking of buying this, you'd be better off with a stock/mugen/poly unit.
Or is it more like "it sure looks pimpy, and its got a JHP logo on it, so it must be JDM and the shizzle dizzle!"</TD></TR></TABLE>
My main concern would be: "Would the cost justify the means?" Does it make enough difference to justify 250$?... I doubt it. Considering the Mugen bushings are an improvement over the stock bushing and that "Racing" Suspension only has a small amount of travel.. would the 250$ part be THAT much better then the 114$ Mugen part?
Not all of us who race are rich.. that's why it's important to think like this. Also, for those of you who DON'T race and are thinking of buying this, you'd be better off with a stock/mugen/poly unit.
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Re: S. Bearing (rice_classic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rice_classic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
My main concern would be: "Would the cost justify the means?" Does it make enough difference to justify 250$?... I doubt it. Considering the Mugen bushings are an improvement over the stock bushing and that "Racing" Suspension only has a small amount of travel.. would the 250$ part be THAT much better then the 114$ Mugen part?
Not all of us who race are rich.. that's why it's important to think like this. Also, for those of you who DON'T race and are thinking of buying this, you'd be better off with a stock/mugen/poly unit.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't know if there is a good way to answer your question without actually hearing from someone who has used these. As an example, I was just as skeptical about the justification for the metal front radius rod bushings compared to fresh OEM Honda bushings, but I was convined to give them a try by people who had good success with them and so far I am a believer as well.
-travis, who is currently using fresh Mugen RTA bushings anyway, and isn't about to replace them...
My main concern would be: "Would the cost justify the means?" Does it make enough difference to justify 250$?... I doubt it. Considering the Mugen bushings are an improvement over the stock bushing and that "Racing" Suspension only has a small amount of travel.. would the 250$ part be THAT much better then the 114$ Mugen part?
Not all of us who race are rich.. that's why it's important to think like this. Also, for those of you who DON'T race and are thinking of buying this, you'd be better off with a stock/mugen/poly unit.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't know if there is a good way to answer your question without actually hearing from someone who has used these. As an example, I was just as skeptical about the justification for the metal front radius rod bushings compared to fresh OEM Honda bushings, but I was convined to give them a try by people who had good success with them and so far I am a believer as well.
-travis, who is currently using fresh Mugen RTA bushings anyway, and isn't about to replace them...
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Re: S. Bearing (rice_classic)
I must say for those who have'nt thought about this, sphericals don't necessarily make your car grip harder and pull more g's thus faster lap times, the bigest difference is the increased stability and faster response especially at higher speeds, the more stable your car feels the faster your going to drive it. My car has full sphericals and it feels nothing like my friends cars with bushings.
Modified by eg6vtec1 at 6:15 PM 11/13/2004
Modified by eg6vtec1 at 6:15 PM 11/13/2004
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Re: S. Bearing (eg6vtec1)
I do use the radius bearings... big improvement in control and turn in... as far as the trailing arm bearings, I am not concerned as some about cost... the thread is about function... the mugen and oem bushings that are freshly installed, are very nice, but the axle is fixed... this bearing and others that I have seen in porsche groups are not and float on an axle like this unit... wouldn't this cause deflection at severe turn angles?
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Re: S. Bearing (MSchu)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wouldn't this cause deflection at severe turn angles?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its a rear bushing, so why would it do this?
The problem w/ the rear suspension is discussed here - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=493789 and https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=606414
And wont be really solved unless you start relocating suspension arms. The problem is limiting the toe change (lateral movement of the trailing arm) under compression/droop and I am not seeing how a spherical bearing resolves this issue.
Its a rear bushing, so why would it do this?
The problem w/ the rear suspension is discussed here - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=493789 and https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=606414
And wont be really solved unless you start relocating suspension arms. The problem is limiting the toe change (lateral movement of the trailing arm) under compression/droop and I am not seeing how a spherical bearing resolves this issue.
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Re: S. Bearing (MSchu)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wouldn't this cause deflection at severe turn angles?
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I thought this had already been answered.
Any lateral movement at the trailing arm bushing is controlled by the control and compensator arms. Switching to a floating spherical here will not change that.
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I thought this had already been answered.
Any lateral movement at the trailing arm bushing is controlled by the control and compensator arms. Switching to a floating spherical here will not change that.
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Re: S. Bearing (JeffS)
Funny... axle "walk" or floating is the problem with the poly bushing kits from some of the big name companies, that use a seperate axle. The axle floats and can not maintain proper alignment. Shouldn't the axle be fixed to the ID bearing
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Re: S. Bearing (MSchu)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny... axle "walk" or flaoting is the problem with the poly bushing kits from some of the big name companies, that use a seperate axle. The axle floats and can not maintain proper alignment. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What are you talking about? Axle walk?
What are you talking about? Axle walk?
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Re: S. Bearing (JeffS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JeffS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought this had already been answered.
Any lateral movement at the trailing arm bushing is controlled by the control and compensator arms. Switching to a floating spherical here will not change that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So it's settled then? These bushings are not a significant improvement and are a great addition to the bling factor?
Any lateral movement at the trailing arm bushing is controlled by the control and compensator arms. Switching to a floating spherical here will not change that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So it's settled then? These bushings are not a significant improvement and are a great addition to the bling factor?
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Re: S. Bearing (rice_classic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rice_classic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So it's settled then? These bushings are not a significant improvement and are a great addition to the bling factor?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wrong conclusion I think, what Jeff was getting at (I think) is that the bearing needs to be floating, as the suspension is designed in a way that forces the lateral movement of the RTA.
These SHOULD be an improvement over the mugen bushing, and almost positively an improvement over poly bushing. Question is how durable they are, and how well they will wear.
So it's settled then? These bushings are not a significant improvement and are a great addition to the bling factor?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wrong conclusion I think, what Jeff was getting at (I think) is that the bearing needs to be floating, as the suspension is designed in a way that forces the lateral movement of the RTA.
These SHOULD be an improvement over the mugen bushing, and almost positively an improvement over poly bushing. Question is how durable they are, and how well they will wear.