overall, very nice mod

reduced a lot of the sway that the stock R has around corners

but, also makes the tail end of the car slide out in some corners more and can be scary

i would only recommend these sway bars to an advanced driver and someone who combines them with good coilovers with somewhat high spring rates and dampers

these sway bars with soft springs = extremely hard to control around corners and IMHO not any better than stock

i realize these are hard to come by, but if you can get some,

quite possibly my favorite mod so far

mugen 26mm front and rear made my car go from having a moderate understeer to a neutral oversteer when i was running on Bilstein shocks and H&R springs

warning: these sway bars will make a novice driver overly comfident in their car and will cause you to push your car past its limits around corners, and can result in uhh badness

great bars, just pair them up with good shocks and springs and DONT under any circumstance take a sharp corner with half bald azenis with these bars, oversteer city

any questions on bars ask

BTW, fitment was perfect, came with bushings, and easy to install
these are HEAVY! 33 lbs for the 2, compared to stock which is 23lbs for the 2

i was hoping they would of come in the sexxaaayy moogen bronze, but oh well, they are gloss black

 

mugen discontinued them??

 

nice, i have never heard many people comment on these, and I figured that at least a few people on here had at least the rear

 

so how much did you end up paying for that peice.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">overall, very nice mod

reduced a lot of the sway that the stock R has around corners

but, also makes the tail end of the car slide out in some corners more and can be scary

i would only recommend these sway bars to an advanced driver and someone who combines them with good coilovers with somewhat high spring rates and dampers

these sway bars with soft springs = extremely hard to control around corners and IMHO not any better than stock

i realize these are hard to come by, but if you can get some,

quite possibly my favorite mod so far

mugen 26mm front and rear made my car go from having a moderate understeer to a neutral oversteer when i was running on Bilstein shocks and H&R springs

warning: these sway bars will make a novice driver overly comfident in their car and will cause you to push your car past its limits around corners, and can result in uhh badness

great bars, just pair them up with good shocks and springs and DONT under any circumstance take a sharp corner with half bald azenis with these bars, oversteer city

any questions on bars ask

BTW, fitment was perfect, came with bushings, and easy to install
these are HEAVY! 33 lbs for the 2, compared to stock which is 23lbs for the 2

i was hoping they would of come in the sexxaaayy moogen bronze, but oh well, they are gloss black </TD></TR></TABLE>

Where was this testing done? Did your lap times decrease with the Mugen swaybars?

 

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i would only recommend these sway bars to an advanced driver and someone who combines them with good coilovers with somewhat high spring rates and dampers

these sway bars with soft springs = extremely hard to control around corners and IMHO not any better than stock

mugen 26mm front and rear made my car go from having a moderate understeer to a neutral oversteer when i was running on Bilstein shocks and H&R springs

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Also curious where you tested these.

AND what suspension setup you have combined with them.

 

My guess:

Street, and...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> when i was running on Bilstein shocks and H&R springs</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> a neutral oversteer </TD></TR></TABLE>

On the face of it, neutral oversteer would appear to be a contradiction in terms.

 

I'm a little confused why you put the front and rear bars on?

Most people upgrade the rear bar only, leaving the front end a little softer to avoid understeer (pushing).

As stated above, if this was tested on the street the review is useless.

Matt

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the face of it, neutral oversteer would appear to be a contradiction in terms.

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And what's with these "final reviews" anyway? What's so final about it?

 

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Yes.

 

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Yes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wonder why that is. Are they phasing out DC2 parts or will they be coming out with some new bars?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I wonder why that is. Are they phasing out DC2 parts or will they be coming out with some new bars?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It wouldn't surprise me...wasn't it not too long ago that another Type R OEM part was discontinuted? It was the floormats I believe.

I'm sure the K series is, and has been, their object of affection now!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder why that is. Are they phasing out DC2 parts or will they be coming out with some new bars?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Basically, phasing out some of the DC2 parts from what I am told.

Fun fact: The 26mm sway bars were made by special request of King Motorsports.

I bet they would make another batch if there was enough interest (i.e. group buy), but don't quote me on that.

 

I'd also like to know what track you tested your mugen bars at and how it affected your lap times.

I have only the rear bar and the car still understeers too much for my taste. I would have thought that adding the front bar would make matters that much worse.

I've actually found that half-bald azenis stick very well. At MAM, I wore my fronts down to where you couldn't discern any remnant of a tread pattern on the outer half of the tire and they stuck like champs.

 

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I have only the rear bar and the car still understeers too much for my taste.</TD></TR></TABLE>

More than stock?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dropspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm a little confused why you put the front and rear bars on?

Most people upgrade the rear bar only, leaving the front end a little softer to avoid understeer (pushing).

As stated above, if this was tested on the street the review is useless.

Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>

Autocrossers (like competitive D stockers) like bigger front sway bars, I imagine they dial out the push with shock settings and tire pressures, oh, and toe.

But i do agree, around town a 26mm front bar seems pointless.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the face of it, neutral oversteer would appear to be a contradiction in terms.

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whoa, i agree with you again.

Definitely contradictory/confusing.

 

My car with the 26mm rear bar understeers less than stock, but IMO the change was not enough.

 

bars were 400 a piece

and im currently on Omnipower Coils, sport setup 12/10

and as for neutral oversteer, it is a commonly used term, it pretty much means that my car is very neutral, unless the conditions on the road arent perfect, aka RAIN, then the car will have a slight oversteer

i called this a final review because it's the last one i will do on these bars

as for where i tested them, a combonation of street, twisties, mountains, highways, and a skidpad circle
i havent had the money to test on a road course yet

and no i dont street race or test my handling near people, so dont even start with that crap

i would say, save your 800 dollars and just get some nice coilovers, unless you have 800 to spare and can get your hands on these

a group buy would not work out, because you wont find 15 people or so to buy 800+ dollar sways, and king motors wont do a group buy unless it was significant and there wouldnt be a discount

anyway...on to better things, like my T1R exhaust, review comming

BTW i have LOTS of pics and **** i cant post because lack of a server....any suggestions?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and as for neutral oversteer, it is a commonly used term....</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL.... By whom and where?

 

uhh lets see

road and track
sport compact car
motor trend
best motoring videos

need i say more?

 

have you tested the off throttle oversteer too?

 

But...don't you understand that it's a contradictory phrase? Neutral means in this case not having any particularly distinctive behavior. Oversteer means having a definitely distinctive behavior. You just can't have both. If the only differing factor is the road condition, that'd be the case with any car, as in with a wet road, any car will have a greater tendency to oversteer (or understeer I suppose) than on a dry road.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">uhh lets see

road and track
sport compact car
motor trend
best motoring videos

need i say more?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes.