.....just another retarded musing on whether this would make sense.

Does the k-pro retain things like the immobilizer chip in the key, etc?

Advantages over the p73 and p28?

 

don't think it would work. The K series ECU is totally different than the P72 that the ITR uses. It has flashable rom, among other things. But you can go check on hondata.com or pgmfi.org to be sure...

The K Pro is head and shoulders above any other hondata product, because it is REAL TIME PROGRAMMABLE. You just plug your laptop into the modded stock ecu with a USB cable, and you can adjust everything on the fly. It's so good that it ALMOST makes me want to sell my ITR and get an RSX (almost).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....just another retarded musing on whether this would make sense.

Does the k-pro retain things like the immobilizer chip in the key, etc?

Advantages over the p73 and p28?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont think it does. i heard from my brother that the jdm k series engines dont come with the mobilizers.. thats how youre able to put em in EG, EK's, etc.. and as far as the ecu goes.. jz use hondata or the stock K series ecu

 

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i dont think it does. i heard from my brother that the jdm k series engines dont come with the mobilizers.. thats how youre able to put em in EG, EK's, etc.. and as far as the ecu goes.. jz use hondata or the stock K series ecu</TD></TR></TABLE>


jdm ecu's do not have many of the things that their US counterparts have.

iirc, all usdm rsx's came with the factory immobilizers.....

 

K Pro does retain stock immobilizer...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hondata.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
# Mounts in stock location and plugs into stock wiring harness.
# Retains full immobilizer functionality to protect your vehicle from theft.
# High speed USB connection – no more USB/Serial converters.
# Re-calibrate for larger injectors.
# 3 dimensional tables for full I-VTEC mapping.
# Compatible with Honda OBD II diagnostic tools & smog station scan tools.
# Datalogging of 39 major sensors and data channels.
# User programmable fuel, ignition & cam angle tables.
# Control of open/closed loop operation.
# VTEC window control.
# Multiple fuel & ignition tables for different intake cam angles.
# Expanded tables for up to 11 lbs boost (higher boost support coming soon).
# Nitrous control with activation window control, solenoid output control and fuel/ignition parameters.</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.hondata.com/kprorelease.html

 

you have the option to disable it through k-pro and that is how we run it on ek/eg/dc2

 

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The K Pro is head and shoulders above any other hondata product, because it is REAL TIME PROGRAMMABLE. You just plug your laptop into the modded stock ecu with a USB cable, and you can adjust everything on the fly. It's so good that it ALMOST makes me want to sell my ITR and get an RSX (almost).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hondata S200 can tune on the fly too with the Romulator. You just have to burn the final tune, but if you really wanted you could just drive around with the romulator. It holds a tune for like 3 days or something.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2R714 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hondata S200 can tune on the fly too with the Romulator. You just have to burn the final tune, but if you really wanted you could just drive around with the romulator. It holds a tune for like 3 days or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I suppose, but I really like the idea of being able to instaneously update your tune right from the laptop, without needing to constantly burn, and re-burn chips. The K Pro is basically a standalone ECU, that just happens to be a stock Honda ecu as well - f'n awesome IMO...

 

I agree, plus you dont need a shitload of gear to tune it. The thing I like is that it is usb and the RSX S comes with a stock wideband o2 So no need to buy one. The problem with tuning it is with the cam angles being 50% of adjustability. You have to tune at all five angles for A/F and timing which is more time consuming, but worth it for an all around good tune. I am pretty sure Jack has tuned Kpro before and can attest to its time to tune.


Modified by DC2R714 at 10:45 AM 10/29/2004

 

I hate to burst your bubble but the k-pro isnt real time programming. You have to shut off the car to make the changes, hit Ctrl U to upload the new information then start back up and keep going. If you hit Ctrl U while the engine is running, the engine shuts off if the amount of information transfer is great enough.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate to burst your bubble but the k-pro isnt real time programming. You have to shut off the car to make the changes, hit Ctrl U to upload the new information then start back up and keep going. If you hit Ctrl U while the engine is running, the engine shuts off if the amount of information transfer is great enough.</TD></TR></TABLE>

DAMNIT Jeff!.... why did you have to come and rain on my parade?

KPro is still pretty fuggin schweet if you ask me.

Does that mean you can make small changes while the motor is running? Or do you have to "reboot" the car for every adjustment?

Nick
(who is still just learning about all this cool ****...)

 

Even with small changes, the uploading makes the car freak out. I just shut down in between steady state and dyno pulls.

Honestly, it takes forever to tune all the fuel and timing maps, and make the blend for the cam angle maps but its worth it. I just tuned one yesterday that had a pencil line for a torque curve from 2000-8500 rpm on a k20a. Took about 150 dyno pulls, or 10 hours to get it to that point. Hardest part is blending the cam angle change around the vtec point since it takes 0.1 seconds for the cam to rotate 10 degrees, so changing from the primary lobe cam angle map to the secondary lobe cam angle map is tricky. Boost is even harder, but hey the k-series are amazing engines.

 

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whoa - sounds like the new iVtec motors are alot trickier to tune then the old school B series...

So are you gonna build up that boosted K20 or what?

 

Yeah, alot more time involved. But again, the end product is amazing so to me its worth it. I think that its going to be hard trying to find good tuners out there for the system considering the amount of time that goes into tuning each fuel/timing map at the specific cam angles. With s100/s200 system you are only talking two fuel/two timing maps. With the k-pro you are talking 42 total maps to be tuned, as well as the other parameters menu such as low/high load temp compensation, etc.

I sourced another k20 shortblock, installing pistons/rods into that and having headwork done on the head. Mid winter the car will be finished. Just got the 235/60/15 BFG Drag Radial T/A's to run in the Nopi Street tire class, OMG they are huge.

 

Sweet! We'll have to make another trip to Island dragway in the spring then...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Philly_NBP_R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't think it would work. The K series ECU is totally different than the P72 that the ITR uses. It has flashable rom, among other things. But you can go check on hondata.com or pgmfi.org to be sure...

The K Pro is head and shoulders above any other hondata product, because it is REAL TIME PROGRAMMABLE. You just plug your laptop into the modded stock ecu with a USB cable, and you can adjust everything on the fly. It's so good that it ALMOST makes me want to sell my ITR and get an RSX (almost).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just swap a K20 in your DC chassis, and have the best of both worlds ...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tsunami_zc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just swap a K20 in your DC chassis, and have the best of both worlds ... </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

maybe in a few years the K20 will be a good upgrade, but in the meantime the b18c5 is running just fine.....

Back to the k-pro though... I like the easily bypassed immobilizer and I think the biggest hindrance to using the k-pro in a dc2 bseries is the ignition differences.....

Thoughts?

 

well, for starters, the iVtec system is totally different. As Jeff mentioned earlier, it has maps for all of the various positions the cam gears can adjust to. It would be much easier to use an AEM, Uberdata, or Hondata S200 type system - something designed to work with the B series. Unfortunately, I think this is a case of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole...

(huhhuhuh... I said "hole".... )

 

dude.....

Just do what I did.... when out and bought an Apexi Power FC w/ commander, real time programmable, and if you get the Datalogit program, you can hook up to a laptop as well.

 

I'd only get the power fc if it had the datalogit.....

Still obd1 though.....

 

EMS y0

 

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I need an obd2 standalone..... no exceptions, thanks.

 

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don't think one exists...

Just get an AEM and call it a day. Price is about the same as KPro anyways.

 

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don't think one exists...

Just get an AEM and call it a day. Price is about the same as KPro anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE>


.....been thinking about it.

And the fact that it is open ended enough to add an immobilizer and kills of sorts...

Heck, I think I could even rig it to run on 3 cylinders for valet mode.....


Modified by Black R at 1:27 PM 11/10/2004