Just some questions about the conversion

does the bottom end (crankshaft and any other parts) need to be zero balanced or are they already on a b18b ?

should the oil piston cooler injectors be installed on my engine ( i believe the b18c has them if i am corredt)?

what else should be done since the car will be used as a road track car and not a daily driver.. running typically at 5000-9000 for a good 45 mins on and off for 1 day every other week to evert 3rd week ?

also what can I do to saftly increase the rev limitor to say 10,000 rpm. I will be going to race cams which are stable to 12.500 rpm and produce power up to there. what can / should I do to allow this... keep in mind this is not a daily driver.. just a weekend track car.

 

search theres so much stuff on ls/vtecs..

 

i have searched... i cant find the exact answers im lookin for.. i need to know for sure.. im getting the conversion done soon

 

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You would need to chip it, But 10k on stock springs, retainers and valves= no no.

 

are you planning on running a "stock" LS bottom end? (no other pistons..)

 

this is exactly being done to the car. I need to know what else should be done.
1) 5 angle valve job w/port and polish
2) valve springs and retainers
3) ls/vtec conversion
- need to know if poston oil coolers need to be installed or is that a part of the conversion.. i believe the b18c has this.. also does the camshaft need to be zero balanced or is it already?
4) racing cams ... unfortunatly i dont know exactly which ones they are.. cant remember the name and cant find the sheet with them.. gotta call the store back when there open (.. supposivly 35+ hp and stable up to 12,500 rpm)


currently i am planning to run a stock bottom end... I am not rich and already this is costing me an arm and a leg...

what recommendations do you guys have?

also IF i was to beef up the bottom end, what exactly should I do?

remeber I am a university student full time and this car is only a summer racer..im not made out of money

 

if it was mine and i road race... i would use a gsr crank, rods (w/ arp rod bolts) and some p30's (b16a pistons).. balance the whole bottom end (crank, rods, pistons, flywheel, clutch, and crank pulley.... forget about the oil squirters (LS blocks don't have them, but i have seen people fab some **** to do it, not worth it imo ) buy the correct LS/VTEC conversion kit (golden eagle makes a good kit).. and send your head,upgraded valvetrain and cam spec's out to someone that's good and has a good reputation.. and tell them what exactly your trying to accomplish.. and DAM 35+hp on these cams.. "holly ****" please tell me what cams are these...

BTW, i know you don't wanna here this.. but any type of racing.. is going to cost $$
good luck..

 

i am having a shop work on my car. They said they supply all the parts necessary for the conversion. They are supposivly a turbo and performance specialist in my area in canada. Ive heard good things bout them and they definatly sounds like they know what they are doing.

you say to have everything balanced.. should i put in an underdrive pully or is that just gonna kill the engine?

also if you dont mind me askin.. why upgrade the con rods and pistons if im not givin it a huge boost in power (i am holding off on the cams until next summer) ?

 

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also if you dont mind me askin.. why upgrade the con rods and pistons if im not givin it a huge boost in power (i am holding off on the cams until next summer) ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You dont want to kil the bottom end with revs. Also youd want the higher compression the pistons would give you.

 

hmmm... i might just pick up a b18c & tranny it seems now... for the added power gains and plus my eng is startin to rack up the kms... what would I need to upgrade, if anything to throw in racing cams ?

 

im in the process of doin an LS/VTEC....

you should try to put the oil squiters in the block but i think they have to be drilled and tapped in. you should buy a set of ARP rod studs for your rods so the rod bolts dont stretch and you dont spin a bearing.

 

if you go with the gsr, wont you need the ecu and obd1... which means conversion harness of some sort or a FUN (sarcasm) rewire.

im pretty sure you cant run the gsr like that, but im looking it up now. i have a b16a swap and i want more torque, so i was thinking 1.8 block either ls or gsr, but once i sat down and did the math to get and ls block to rev safley as high as id want to, it gets expensive, plus the machine work and balancing and someone to help me do all this $$$

so sorry, not to jack your thread, but id like to know if its financially worth it to just go gsr instead, if you wouldnt mind sharing a few figures.

-mike

 

my mistake when i said b18c.. i did not specify.. i meant the type r b18c and tranny ... what will be needed to be done to this motor to put in a set of racing cams and possibly raising the rev limiter ?

 

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A stock type-r motor can rev to 9000rpm stock..
Why would u wanna rev higher then that?

 

tell you the truth.. i dont know.. just wondering so i can beef up the engine approptiately while only doing the minimum...

i am trying to debate what to do... ls/vtec conversion on my b18b with upgrading everything like pistons, conrods etc, or type r swap and get rid of my b18b... plus i need a lsd tranny...trying to debate which is better and cheaper as well, safer.

 

actually, it just came to me... will i need to upgrade the axels if I swap my b18b with a type r ?

 

have u tryied running itr water and oil pump to increase all those pressures

 

heres what it looks like bottom end together and in car 6,000+ later... Lovin it

 

you may want to check this link with nice info

http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...c.php

 

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You can't use a B18A/B bottom end for that kind of stuff. The geometry just isn't designed to rev that high for long periods. You'll be replacing rod bearings after every 2 weekends. If you build it up you might get some sort of longevity out of it, but then you won't really be competitive in any racing series - it'd just end up being a glorified HPDE or open lapping car.

As for the 10-12,500 RPM with an LS bottom end, you're dreaming. That's just absurd.

 

sweeeeeeeet

 

i know im dreaming.. now im talking reality... what would be safe to use to run high rpm's for that long?... type r motor is good or not?... what needs to be done to it?...

is my b18b with ls/vtec conversion good enough?


might have a problem doing a b18c swap on my 89 civic dx... i believe my tranny on the b18b is cable (can not check the car is at least an hour drive from where i am right now), and the type r is hydrolic ( i want an lsd tranny)... If im not mistaken the mounting is 100% different and will be difficult to put in. Is there any possiblity of putting it in and what will need to be done?...

 

right now the car is just a open lapping car, at least for 1 more year...

as for a competition car i have a players cup car which i will be picking up in the summer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ^AnDre^ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">might have a problem doing a b18c swap on my 89 civic dx... i believe my tranny on the b18b is cable (can not check the car is at least an hour drive from where i am right now), and the type r is hydrolic ( i want an lsd tranny)... If im not mistaken the mounting is 100% different and will be difficult to put in. Is there any possiblity of putting it in and what will need to be done?... </TD></TR></TABLE>

does anyone have an answer to this?

 

use hasports mounts and they have a cable to hydro conversion availiable