i was just wondering if a HID kit for the headlights was available from the factory?
thanks to anyone who can answer this

 

Some of the JDM and EDM versions had HIDs from the factory, no need for a kit.

 

well i meant like US version of the HID, was it a factory option?

 

nope.

 

hey not from the factory . but you can get it aftermarket tho . i got the projector lights on mine and im getting hid coversian for it soon .






you have to take the whole front psrt of the car apart to do this . same with changing the rear lights

 

There is a projector on the mainland Europe that I believe is halogen AND HID... so not sure as to how well that does...

The JDM HID is Reflector based...

You can get a bulb/ballast swap in kit... but our headlights weren't made for HIDs, nor are there any real aftermarket HID projector kits...

The Best option, IMO... is get those projectors above and swap in a real HID projector like they have in BMWs Mercedes etc... The cost is the same as a good bulb/ballast kit and you get so much more...

I swapped a set into my 02 headlights...





I've since adjusted them a little bit... but you see the cutoff and the blue shimmer you're going to get with HID projectors...

 

hey
i found real hid conversion kits . they say they are the same thing as the ones from a factory luxury car. where on your headlight is your high beam. do you have one .

 

get a kit from xenon depot.

 

ok ill go look at that site thanks
tom

 

would it be the same for the RSX? Any info, would be get!

 

yes, the RSX and the EP3 along with any halogen reflector based bulb can be swapped for a aftermarket HID kit... You ought to look into some glare reduction if you're going to do a straight swap, there is quite a bit of glare (above the DOT approved cutoff) which means oncoming drivers are going to get HID in the eyes... but it's not half as bad as Trucks/SUVs with HIDs and/or just big *** bright lights at eye level with normal cars... but I degress... it just bugs me when people go half *** on something which infringes on other people... you can do so much better with a little more effort.

the best you can get is what I did... it's not much more money, and if you have seperate hi/lows (all new EP3s and RSXs do), you get the shimmer which HIDs are known for (not to mention more light where you need it, sharp cutoff etc...). You will not get the shimmer with out the HID projectors, and HIDs in halogen projectors = just as bad as HIDs in reflectors... the shimmer comes from the shield inside the projector.


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Modified by Ocelaris at 12:44 AM 10/27/2004

 

hey
are you saying i dont have those shimers . my light have that same horizontal line across that you have in your pic . looks just like that . mabye im not looking close enough lol.

i do have a pair of 2003 audi a4 progector beam headlights that came with hid stock . my freind crasehed his audi and gave the lights to me . are you saying to take apart the audi lights and take the projectors out and swap them with the ones in my headlights ? the audi had auto correction lights (as you drive they auto adjust to the road ) . will they fit like yours .


i hope i read your info right . not shure lol.

how do i take the lights apart . and put them together with out breaking them and sealing them properly.

the hid coversion is supposed to be as powerfull as the a4 . .

thanks
for your help with this .

hey also , where are your high beams lol. looks like you dont have any .

 

Not sure about your cutoff, what kind of lens do you have?

The projectors I have are from a 3 series BMW. OEM Bosch (BMW/Mercedes), Valeo (Audi), Stanley (Honda/acura) etc... have all different lenses and shields.

the shimmer is from the shield on the projector making a refraction across the center of the projector, similar to the way a prism displays all the colors that the "white" light contains... If you have halogens, you don't have the blue in the white light to make the well known shimmer of HIDs.

basically you just cut the back out of the housing of your headlights and JB-Weld in the new ones... the wiring and making it look pretty are a little bit more complicated. There's a good HID forum sight, or at least there used to be and they've moved and I don't have the new sight's address.

If you have the aftermarket projectors for our EP3, not sure of the quality of the projectors that come in them, but they probably would be really nice to swap an OEM Bosch/Valeo/Stanley into... that's probably the easiest and best looking, find a projector that is similar size and just take out the halogen projector.

I don't see why A4 projectors in your car would be any less powerful than in an A4?

All headlights have a cutoff where they are supposed to stop passing light, the difference is basically how severe the cutoff is and the distribution of light. Basically you get what you pay for... I mean if you paid retail for headlights, HID Projectors would probably run you 2x as much as say our Honda Halogen reflector headlights... But aftermarket, if you get the guts of a HID projector, they're roughly half that...

I have Bi-Xenon... meaning Hi and Low beams in one Projector... if you already have seperate high and low beams you ought to save your $ and just get low beam HID projectors... Otherwise Bi-Xenons are sweet because you get HID High beam projectors (only way to get it is bi-xenon)...

Taking apart headlights? Bake em... seriously. At least with the OEM Honda ones you stick them in the oven at 150* or so until the glue that holds the lens on becomes soft and you pry them apart. do you business inside and then place the lens on (straght!), re-bake, then smoosh on tight...

I paid 400$ plus probably ~100$ in parts for my Bi-Xenons projectors, ballasts, bulbs and shroud...

you can get a set of Ballasts + bulbs that are D2S (they ONLY fit HID reflectors and Projectors, they will NOT fit your OEM halogen headlights) for 200$

The Bi-Xenon projectors are special and cost 200$ The guy threw in some shrouds (covers) for free... usually if you buy them seperately they'll cost 50$ for a pair

All the parts I got were OEM stuff, nice equipment...

If I were to do it again, I'd probably get the after market projectors and swap HID projectors in... but I was being skimpy after spending ~400$ didn't wanna spend another 200$ on the right headlights... mine turned out pretty good, I mean functionally perfect, but probably would have looked better with the projector style headlights.

 

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JDM and UKDM are the same. Reflector based up to '04 model year, and projector after that.

Some good info in this thread for people thinking about HID on the EP. Thanks!

 

Glad you asked George :-) I've done my homework in this case )

If JDM and UKDM are the same, then there is no HID projector available in either of those countries, since in the UK they have projectors but no HID. Mainland Europe is the only place where there is a HID projector... maybe.

Some people and myself have looked into getting the Mainland European Projector HIDs imported into the US and have been met with a little trouble...

Basically we've been unable to determine whether the projectors are Halogen or HID based... we know that in the UK they don't offer the HID version of the projectors, but the mainland they do. I've never seen a picture of these projectors as HIDs, only Halogen. On the Honda website they're clearly Halogen.

Now the problem is that it appears the projectors only swap out halogen bulbs for HIDs... and that leads us to wonder how appropriate the projectors are for HID. Since the optics on Halogen projectors are not appropriate for HID applications.

Halogen reflectors and projectors have a much different beam pattern than HID based optics. Basically a 55w Halogen bulb puts out 1000 lumens where as a standard 35w HID 4100k capsule puts out 3500 lumens. So Halogens basically try and put the light anywhere they can literally making use of every photon. HIDs on the other hand can be a little more picky in their distribution; and they have to be.

The reason it's illegal to put HIDs into Halogen optics is that Halogens are a point source of light (the filament) and the HID capsule is an arc tube; this makes the dispersion of light awkward at best in a retrofit situation. That is the arguement that the government has made in stopping the "kit" makers like McCulloch et all.

And I don't blame the government, if you've ever seen a xenondepot kit or the likes of a "swap in" HID capsule into Halogen reflector/projector housing, it's really bad for other drivers... annoying at best, blinding at worst. I agree with the government's ban in this case. But at the same time I wish they gave us a choice for HID, so I don't necessarily blame people doing swap kits... After all, SUVs have their headlights aimed dead in our rear view mirror, and some have HID! The DOT code is going through some changes right now and that is one of the questions being addressed... I don't blame people for doing HID swaps, we're not the worst out there.

See the diagram SF_SI_O2 has nicely taken a picture for us from a swiss Honda contact he knows. The first picture is the parts list. The second is my own coloring for identification.

The second one I have color coded as follows:

Green = parts needed in BOTH halogen and HID
Blue = parts needed if the headlight was going to be Halogen
Red = parts needed if the headlight was going to be HID

It appears that you just swap out halogen for HID in the same housing. At best I'm wrong, at worst it's close to unacceptable... So if anybody has any insight, I'd be interested in knowing opinions...

The cost if you just bought the bare minimum parts from honda Euro, and bought on ebay the parts (ballasts/Bulbs) you could probably do the whole thing for ~700$
Retail complete they look to be around 1000-1200$ imported...





Oh and before people get ahead of themselves adding up those costs, those are in swiss francs, I've done the conversion and added up what I think somebody would need to do the swap here:

No. Part # Qty Part Name Price CHF Price American Total
__________________________________________________ ____________________________________________
#2 33101-S5T-G71 1 Left? (D.) Headlight 217 172.68 172.68
#4 33107-S0A-J01 2? HID Seal Screws 2.20 1.75 3.50
#7 33112-S5A-J01 2 D2S Clip 15 11.94 23.88
#14 33127-S6A-J71 2 HID Seal 16.20 12.89 25.78
#17 33145-S5T-G71 2 HID O-Ring 12.20 9.71 19.42
#18 33151-S5T-G71 1 Right (G.) Headlight 217 172.68 172.68
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________
417.94

Parts Needed in addition:

#19 Parking Light Bulb (appears to be the same as USDM)
#24 parking light socket (appears to be the same as USDM)
#21 Turn Signal socket
#22 Turn Signal Bulb
#13 High Beam Seal
#8 9006 High Beam

* you still need a 2xHID ballast + 2x D2S bulbs you can get them on ebay. Ballasts will run 200$ and bulbs 70$
__________________________________________________ ________
Rough total without shipping = 640$

View of various Headlight Bulbs:
http://www.sylvania.com/Consum...ducts/


Good Ebay search for Ballasts
(hid, litronic, projector, xenon, discharge) -H1 -H3 -H4 -H7 -9003 -9004 -9005 -9006 -9007 -H9 -H11 -H12 -G2 -G3 -GMC -turbo -fog -driving -demon -accord -valve -nos -tail -wheels -conversion -Neon -Dodge -Mazda -JDM -Tahoe -Camry -underbody -Eclipse -Sentra -Mustang -Civic -PIAA -plasma -Ford -Chevy -MSD -muffler -Cavalier -integra
Category: No longer valid, Sort: Newly Listed, Min Price: US $40.00, Max Price: US $500.00

Good Ebay source for D2S bulbs:
Vendor: akinaboy

As I've said before... The HID projector retrofit may be more labor, but honestly, it's alot easier and cheaper, not to mention a known good result (light wise) your own craftiness is it's own judge on how pretty they come out.


Modified by Ocelaris at 2:25 PM 10/28/2004


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Modified by Ocelaris at 2:30 PM 10/28/2004

 

Wonderful posts!

 

do you have it for the RSX???

 

Sorry I have no idea what the RSX situation is...

but the reason us EP3ers were looking at the Projectors was that the 02/03 headlights were H4 (same bulb for hi/low) which meant you either lost high beams with HID projectors or you had to do Bi-Xenon which is a real paint in the ***...

For people with seperate hi/low beams... I would reccomend a retrofit because it's so much cheaper (like 1/2 as much)... but you can probably find similar stuff for the RSX, just gonna cost you 1200$ instead of 400$

 

hey
you realy know your stuff . you know my headlights that i got i had to modiffy my wire harnsess . even tho i have separete hi /lol. the headlights wont work . the wireing in my projector lights are set up like a h4 bulb . 2 positive and one negitive . its confusing . very few people got the projectors like mine to work in a 04 si . i dont know about the type-r headligts . dose it ues a h3 for low . im pretty shure it uses a 9006 i think for high . i know it sounds confusing what im saying . i ran my own wire harness to my fuse box to get them to work .

the thing was that . i can put each postive to each prong on my h4 socket (i had to buy h4 socket like the one the 02si and 03si have ) that was fine , now im left with a negitive from my high and low harness . this is where the problem is . i put on the negitive on the remaining prong on the socket . the light wether its a high or low , it works fine . but when i put both negitives on the same prong , both high / low come . theres no control they both come on and both come off . i never understood why . so i made my own wire harness from my low beam to my fuse box and it works just fine . i just wish there could have been a eaiser way . i hope getting hid dont complicate things more lol

thanks for listening

if you are confused at what im sayng ill explain more . its just hard on here ya know
tom

 

heh, I know EXACTLY what you're talking about...



The problem is that at least on the 02/03 they are ground switched. Did you check for polarity on your harness? I mean, my H4 I expected to have 2 positive (one high and one low) and instead it had 1 positive and one negative... to make the matters worse when I put the high beams off the low beam cut out... so I basically had to design a circuit with diodes and relays to fix it, as seen above...

It took me like 3 trys to come to that circuit... that's for 02/03s and the ground switching was the big "WHAT!" in that project... but it was a good learning experience.

Did you get yours working? I'd be happy to help when you get your HIDs... But sounds like you got it working )

I'm in Nova, so Pa isn't that far away I think...

heh actually just today I finally got my HID Bi-Xenon solenoids working correctly, they've been functional but incomplete for months now... long story but just more relays, diodes, and a capacitor this time

Certain HIDs are tricky, but this page should help:

http://faq.auto.light.tripod.c....html

this is what I just added to my bi-xenons.

 

hey
yea my lights do work , i did it by running my own wire to fuse box . ther going into a empty spot where it has a 20 amp fuse . i have it on my own swich . but ironicly it i can control my lights with the sterring wheel lever lol. i gusee that fuse spot might me a fog light spot or somthing .




here are what my projector lights look like . there is the plug .
there supposed to drop in the 02 and 03 si . that pug goes to the h4 soket end on the car .

here is my stock harness


i only cut off the high beam harness and used it . the low beam are run on thier own to my fuse box .



here is the pic of my high beam harness wired into my headligght harness


this is the switch i have my low beam wired into . i can take this out tho . i only put it there to see how it worked .

what do you think of this . you seen like you have some kid of degree in electrical engineering . i just tried anything .

but ya when i get my hid your more than welcome to help put them in . i live right next to pocono racway . if you want my # just ask . i

thanks again for listening

 

heh, can't see the pics.

So you didn't use a relay to tie in your new headlights? you can use the stock harness for the triggers on your new harness for your headlights.

http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp

that site has alot of good info. If you have a Digital Multimeter you can test for which wires have what polarity and then use those to run your lights. At least that's what I did, basically the same thing you did except I didn't run a fuse from the fuse box, I just used an inline fuse from autozone tied off my positive battery terminal.

 

hey
you should see the pics now lol. yes i did run to the fuse box . i did not think about the battery lol . by running it to fuse box no relays or anything works great , it also allowed me to have control through the light swich on steering colum still . i found that out by accident lol .

 

Thanks!! I'll look into that! But if you come up with anything for the RSX let me know. Thanks again!!