which one is better?



[Modified by eg_nezay, 6:02 AM 12/19/2001]

 

um.
type r. by far.

 

i was told building an ls right would out perform a type r? is that true?

 

I would go with a type r. more things to go wrong with a Ls/Vtec, and a type r is way less maintainance.

 

If you build the ls/vtec with mods...it will out perform the type R. But it is a high maintainance motor. It will cost close to the type R price tag of around 5K also...But a type R with a few mods will perform pretty close to a full built ls/vtec

 

However, the B20 with a VTEC head even though the maintenace is high will out perform the TypeR and will be a less likely target for thiefs.

 

I would go with the R(eal)

 

Type R

 

No question...TYPE R!!

 

Hope you have $10 grand to build a motor for 220hp to the wheels

 

i followed hx guy and did this:

jdm b20b block - 1000
crower cams/springs/retainers - 850
skunk2 manifold - 300
cam gears - 230
b16 tranny - 450
ls ecu - 250
s-afc - 300
axles/mounts/and everything else for the swap - around 1000

thats 4300 for everything you need. 170 hsp and 140 ft/lbs of torque approx. and that revs to 8000. and will smoke a typer swap.


[Modified by jinxproof99, 7:18 PM 12/19/2001]

 

where do you find a b16 tranny for $450?

 

you just gotta look. unfortunatly for you, southern california is not the place to look.

 

cant we all just get along

 

just a quick comment...

personally i would get a gs-r and build that up.

or if u have the money get a spoon b16 or 1 B18

they have engines that rev way past 14000 wow.....

 

uhhh i was juss pointing a quick little fact or something.

powerwise, their motors are great, but pricey.

 

1)fully built LS-R~~>this sh_t won't last 100,000 miles
-OR-
2)a "stupid" bone stock type-R that has factory reliability...

yeah thats a real tough one.

 

and how many of you are going to keep the same motor for 100,000 miles? let alone the same car?

in terms of reliability, ask jeff at import builders if you can build a reliable ls/vtec.
ls/vtecs are nice when built right.

 

if your in japan why does your avatar say that your from the suburbs of MD...........

 

thanks for all the info guys!

 

Yea totally. I think there was a reason that Honda didn't mate an LS block with a VTEC head, or with a B20 block.

 

all i can say is: GSR TURBO!
it will spank the crap out of typeR and LS/VTEC.

 

my friend got a ls/vtec hatch... does 12.4 with intake,headers, no exhaust, type r cams, and mugen ecu...

 

QUOTE] as for comparing the two, i was comparing $$$$ wise. if you spend 5 grand on a LSVTEC set up and 5 grand on a type r this is what you get: 1) a fully built LSR or 2) a bone stock type R.
kris[/QUOTE]

Exactly what I was going to say.. for 5 grand... you can have a built ls/vtec or a stock type R. I know people think its not fair to compare power number of a fully built engine vs. a stock one...If a type R had all te mods you mentioned on your previous post Dragon...then that R motor would cost twice as much as the LS/VTEC.
Its true the ls/vtec requires more tuning then a stock R, but a built R would also require maintainance as well. No built motors are maintainance free..If you build a type R motor with simular mods as the ls/vtec... it will require the same tuning...so the arguement of " ls/vtec=high main. and Type R=low main." doesnt really apply. I agree.. the R motor is a great motor. But I like to tinker with my car... so I dont mind working on it. If I wanted a "true" maintainance free daily driver... I'd just go with a B18C and leave it bone stock.

 

Are you saying that LS block and VTEC heads aren't honda products? Also, if honda did make a factory ls/vtec, it would be in direct competition with GSR's. So in a sense, they did mate an ls block with a vtec head, and called it the B18C.