Ls vtec or type r ?
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (captainJDM)
If you build the ls/vtec with mods...it will out perform the type R. But it is a high maintainance motor. It will cost close to the type R price tag of around 5K also...But a type R with a few mods will perform pretty close to a full built ls/vtec
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (CRX_VTEC)
However, the B20 with a VTEC head even though the maintenace is high will out perform the TypeR and will be a less likely target for thiefs.
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (suprfast)
. this discussion will probably go on forever, but do the research. LSvtec bored to 2.0L(fully built, not some half *** job) that will put out well over 220hp to the wheels, with a TQ curve that would make a domestic cringe, or a type R motor that put out 180+ hp stock(oh yea, to the CRANK).
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (eg_nezay)
i followed hx guy and did this:
jdm b20b block - 1000
crower cams/springs/retainers - 850
skunk2 manifold - 300
cam gears - 230
b16 tranny - 450
ls ecu - 250
s-afc - 300
axles/mounts/and everything else for the swap - around 1000
thats 4300 for everything you need. 170 hsp and 140 ft/lbs of torque approx. and that revs to 8000. and will smoke a typer swap.
[Modified by jinxproof99, 7:18 PM 12/19/2001]
jdm b20b block - 1000
crower cams/springs/retainers - 850
skunk2 manifold - 300
cam gears - 230
b16 tranny - 450
ls ecu - 250
s-afc - 300
axles/mounts/and everything else for the swap - around 1000
thats 4300 for everything you need. 170 hsp and 140 ft/lbs of torque approx. and that revs to 8000. and will smoke a typer swap.
[Modified by jinxproof99, 7:18 PM 12/19/2001]
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where do you find a b16 tranny for $450?
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (suprfast)
just a quick comment...
personally i would get a gs-r and build that up.
or if u have the money get a spoon b16 or 1 B18
they have engines that rev way past 14000 wow.....
personally i would get a gs-r and build that up.
or if u have the money get a spoon b16 or 1 B18
they have engines that rev way past 14000 wow.....
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (suprfast)
you lost me dragon. the ITR is a factory product, build from that yes. so are the b18a/b and b20's. just like you said, start with something factory and build from there. LOVE YOUR SIG TOO. im not saying the type r is a bad motor. jsut as you are, im biased. i have dealt with IDIOTS AND LSVTECS to see them blow. why, cause they cant build one. i have also dealt with pros running LSVTECS. SWEET DEAL THERE. putting out very little money to make a reliable daily driven LSVTEC. as for comparing the two, i was comparing $$$$ wise. if you spend 5 grand on a LSVTEC set up and 5 grand on a type r this is what you get: 1) a fully built LSR or 2) a bone stock type R.
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2)a "stupid" bone stock type-R that has factory reliability...
yeah thats a real tough one.
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (eg6_inspired)
1)fully built LS-R~~>this sh_t won't last 100,000 miles
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2)a "stupid" bone stock type-R that has factory reliability...
yeah thats a real tough one.
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2)a "stupid" bone stock type-R that has factory reliability...
yeah thats a real tough one.
in terms of reliability, ask jeff at import builders if you can build a reliable ls/vtec.
ls/vtecs are nice when built right.
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (ahcjar103)
A friend of mine here in Japan runs 12's in a NA ITR engine
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (DragonCTR69)
I prefer to start with a Factory product and upgrade the components... ... I believe in the HONDA product... and if you start out with a RELIABLE product and only change and upgrade the components then you will have a More reliable product capable of More power. ...
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (suprfast)
i was comparing $$$$ wise. if you spend 5 grand on a LSVTEC set up and 5 grand on a type r this is what you get: 1) a fully built LSR or 2) a bone stock type R.
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Exactly what I was going to say.. for 5 grand... you can have a built ls/vtec or a stock type R. I know people think its not fair to compare power number of a fully built engine vs. a stock one...If a type R had all te mods you mentioned on your previous post Dragon...then that R motor would cost twice as much as the LS/VTEC.
Its true the ls/vtec requires more tuning then a stock R, but a built R would also require maintainance as well. No built motors are maintainance free..If you build a type R motor with simular mods as the ls/vtec... it will require the same tuning...so the arguement of " ls/vtec=high main. and Type R=low main." doesnt really apply. I agree.. the R motor is a great motor. But I like to tinker with my car... so I dont mind working on it. If I wanted a "true" maintainance free daily driver... I'd just go with a B18C and leave it bone stock.
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Re: Ls vtec or type r ? (SuperDuperEG)
I prefer to start with a Factory product and upgrade the components... ... I believe in the HONDA product... and if you start out with a RELIABLE product and only change and upgrade the components then you will have a More reliable product capable of More power. ...
Yea totally. I think there was a reason that Honda didn't mate an LS block with a VTEC head, or with a B20 block.
Yea totally. I think there was a reason that Honda didn't mate an LS block with a VTEC head, or with a B20 block.