Building/REbuilding a high mile SOHC worth it?
Ok so I can get a d16z6 with a blown hg for 50bux.
the guy says it actually still ran ok, just ate coolant.
only thing is it has 190k miles on it.
SO lets say my plan was to rebuild it with high comp pistons,
new rings/bearings etc.
Is there anything wrong with building up an almost 200k mile motor,
theres prettymuch no chance that I could get away with just honing the cylinders i'm guesing?
What are your thoughts on this, and what would be some recommended things
to do with the rebuild?
the guy says it actually still ran ok, just ate coolant.
only thing is it has 190k miles on it.
SO lets say my plan was to rebuild it with high comp pistons,
new rings/bearings etc.
Is there anything wrong with building up an almost 200k mile motor,
theres prettymuch no chance that I could get away with just honing the cylinders i'm guesing?
What are your thoughts on this, and what would be some recommended things
to do with the rebuild?
my buddies doing this to his D16a6. heres what i would reccomend an it wont cost you too much money
1) zc/89 integra pistons from ROCK with rings
2) Rocket Motorsports Camshaft
3) Fidanza 6lb flywheel
4) Decent clutch, Action, Clutch Masters
5) New bearings ACL or OEM honda
6) Headgasket, timing belt, water pump, oil pump
7) Decent header (DC, OBX) for the cheapo ones, if your a baller get an AN-R
8) valve stem seals, cam seal, resurface head
thats it, youll have a really nice running sohc motor an it will be freshly rebuilt along some nice mods.
1) zc/89 integra pistons from ROCK with rings
2) Rocket Motorsports Camshaft
3) Fidanza 6lb flywheel
4) Decent clutch, Action, Clutch Masters
5) New bearings ACL or OEM honda
6) Headgasket, timing belt, water pump, oil pump
7) Decent header (DC, OBX) for the cheapo ones, if your a baller get an AN-R
8) valve stem seals, cam seal, resurface head
thats it, youll have a really nice running sohc motor an it will be freshly rebuilt along some nice mods.
$50 is a good deal. Just look into the cost of the rebuild and determine if it is worth the trouble or not for your goals. However you may not have a clear picture of what all is required until you get the head off. Don't forget all of the little extras like resurfacing the head/block. honing (possibly boring) the block, balancing the crank, etc. Its a very doable project as long as you are willing to get your hands dirty.
if you plan on building a setup like VtecKiDD's then mind you also, although this setup may cost $600+ you're using OEM/quality parts and building it mildly for performance and keyword maintenance so id say if youre on a budget, yest its worth it for the extra peppiness, assurance of having a fresh built motor, OEM quality, unorthodox path as far as building a honda (N/A sohc
) and a good strong foundation for future endeavors.
the only thing i would change would be your piston choice as it limits one to the option of boost (and we all know boosted sohc's are a force not to be fucked with
)
) and a good strong foundation for future endeavors. the only thing i would change would be your piston choice as it limits one to the option of boost (and we all know boosted sohc's are a force not to be fucked with
)
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ah,
waitaminit,
that 600 is including the flywheel, clutch, header, and other stuff he mentioned?
or is that just the motor build?
I'm looking at just the motor build really,
shoudlnt be too much money i'm thinking, only thing that might be expensive
would be buying brand new pistons if I have to bore it.
rings, bearings, gaskets, seals, and such, add up, but shoudnt be too bad.
then theres the machining, shouldnt be more than 100bux or so.
the rest is all just work, assembling and such, which I could do myself.
waitaminit,
that 600 is including the flywheel, clutch, header, and other stuff he mentioned?
or is that just the motor build?
I'm looking at just the motor build really,
shoudlnt be too much money i'm thinking, only thing that might be expensive
would be buying brand new pistons if I have to bore it.
rings, bearings, gaskets, seals, and such, add up, but shoudnt be too bad.
then theres the machining, shouldnt be more than 100bux or so.
the rest is all just work, assembling and such, which I could do myself.
here is some numbers for yah. the costs are approx. what i pay for parts/services here in MN.
$100- hot tanking of head, resurface, and 3 angle valve job. (head was
disassembled when i took it there and then reassembled by me) so if you cant
do this by yourself it will cost you more.
$50- valve seals
$30- head gasket
$30- timing belt
$10- IM gasket
$200-250- new pistons and rings depending where you get them from and what
kind of deal you get. you might be able to find some used PG6Bs or P28s and
save a little money.
$20- getting new pistons pressed onto your rods.
this is a rough estimate for rebuilding the motor and doesnt include any performance parts. i also assumed you would reuse your rod and main bearings, and water pump but you would probably want to look into new ones since the motor has high mileage. it would probably be wise to run some arp rods bolts if you plan on revving the motor. these are the most stressed fasteners in the engine(which already have 190k on them (they will be about $30 and need to be pressed in by a machine shop) you might also want to look into some head studs since it is cheap insurance for high compression($100) **you could probably get by with reusing the stock ones**but some people might get into a tizzy over me saying that.(its a sohc budget build
damn)
so that is about $470(including $50 block) right there not counting in the headstuds. it might be a little more/less depending on where you source parts from. i also didnt include any hot tanking of the block, possible boring, or other needed attention.
it will need oil/coolant when you get it running and any other misc stuff. so $600 is in the ballpark on the rebuild.
but you might learn some stuff and knowledge is priceless
$100- hot tanking of head, resurface, and 3 angle valve job. (head was
disassembled when i took it there and then reassembled by me) so if you cant
do this by yourself it will cost you more.
$50- valve seals
$30- head gasket
$30- timing belt
$10- IM gasket
$200-250- new pistons and rings depending where you get them from and what
kind of deal you get. you might be able to find some used PG6Bs or P28s and
save a little money.
$20- getting new pistons pressed onto your rods.
this is a rough estimate for rebuilding the motor and doesnt include any performance parts. i also assumed you would reuse your rod and main bearings, and water pump but you would probably want to look into new ones since the motor has high mileage. it would probably be wise to run some arp rods bolts if you plan on revving the motor. these are the most stressed fasteners in the engine(which already have 190k on them (they will be about $30 and need to be pressed in by a machine shop) you might also want to look into some head studs since it is cheap insurance for high compression($100) **you could probably get by with reusing the stock ones**but some people might get into a tizzy over me saying that.(its a sohc budget build
damn) so that is about $470(including $50 block) right there not counting in the headstuds. it might be a little more/less depending on where you source parts from. i also didnt include any hot tanking of the block, possible boring, or other needed attention.
it will need oil/coolant when you get it running and any other misc stuff. so $600 is in the ballpark on the rebuild.
but you might learn some stuff and knowledge is priceless
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lohatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is some numbers for yah. the costs are approx. what i pay for parts/services here in MN.
$100- hot tanking of head, resurface, and 3 angle valve job. (head was
disassembled when i took it there and then reassembled by me) so if you cant
do this by yourself it will cost you more.
$50- valve seals
$30- head gasket
$30- timing belt
$10- IM gasket
$200-250- new pistons and rings depending where you get them from and what
kind of deal you get. you might be able to find some used PG6Bs or P28s and
save a little money.
$20- getting new pistons pressed onto your rods.
this is a rough estimate for rebuilding the motor and doesnt include any performance parts. i also assumed you would reuse your rod and main bearings, and water pump but you would probably want to look into new ones since the motor has high mileage. it would probably be wise to run some arp rods bolts if you plan on revving the motor. these are the most stressed fasteners in the engine(which already have 190k on them (they will be about $30 and need to be pressed in by a machine shop) you might also want to look into some head studs since it is cheap insurance for high compression($100) **you could probably get by with reusing the stock ones**but some people might get into a tizzy over me saying that.(its a sohc budget build
damn)
so that is about $470(including $50 block) right there not counting in the headstuds. it might be a little more/less depending on where you source parts from. i also didnt include any hot tanking of the block, possible boring, or other needed attention.
it will need oil/coolant when you get it running and any other misc stuff. so $600 is in the ballpark on the rebuild.
but you might learn some stuff and knowledge is priceless
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yeah that sounds about right,
and its not so bad when you think about it.
$100- hot tanking of head, resurface, and 3 angle valve job. (head was
disassembled when i took it there and then reassembled by me) so if you cant
do this by yourself it will cost you more.
$50- valve seals
$30- head gasket
$30- timing belt
$10- IM gasket
$200-250- new pistons and rings depending where you get them from and what
kind of deal you get. you might be able to find some used PG6Bs or P28s and
save a little money.
$20- getting new pistons pressed onto your rods.
this is a rough estimate for rebuilding the motor and doesnt include any performance parts. i also assumed you would reuse your rod and main bearings, and water pump but you would probably want to look into new ones since the motor has high mileage. it would probably be wise to run some arp rods bolts if you plan on revving the motor. these are the most stressed fasteners in the engine(which already have 190k on them (they will be about $30 and need to be pressed in by a machine shop) you might also want to look into some head studs since it is cheap insurance for high compression($100) **you could probably get by with reusing the stock ones**but some people might get into a tizzy over me saying that.(its a sohc budget build
damn) so that is about $470(including $50 block) right there not counting in the headstuds. it might be a little more/less depending on where you source parts from. i also didnt include any hot tanking of the block, possible boring, or other needed attention.
it will need oil/coolant when you get it running and any other misc stuff. so $600 is in the ballpark on the rebuild.
but you might learn some stuff and knowledge is priceless
</TD></TR></TABLE>yeah that sounds about right,
and its not so bad when you think about it.
nah it isnt too bad. dont you have a D15B?????? you could even just rebuild the bottom end with some high compression pistons and swap your D15b head on there for the time being. then you could take your time and build up the Z6 head if you choose.
yeah,
my d15b runs reaally good though,
I'd feel bad tearing it apart,
I got like 2-4% leakdown, and over 200psi compression across the board.
Also I have JRSC that i'm working on
I have wanted to build up a sohc for a while though, so the $50 z6 presents a good opportunity.
my d15b runs reaally good though,
I'd feel bad tearing it apart,
I got like 2-4% leakdown, and over 200psi compression across the board.
Also I have JRSC that i'm working on

I have wanted to build up a sohc for a while though, so the $50 z6 presents a good opportunity.
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