i searched with no answers.

it looks like the ep3 may be my next car but im not too impressed by the performance. I had an em1 with i/h/e and I would like my ep3 to atleast be as quick in the 1/4 mile. Although im not really a drag guy I plan to do more suspension mods than anything.

what im asking is with the same bolt ons will the ep3 match the em1 in straight line performance?

I will not do anything more than simple bolt ons so don't tell me to turbo it or whatever.

would I be better off just buying another em1?

 

on a straight line? of course! a factory em1 will be at least 1 car behind, but don't kill me since i don't have numbers or any type of proof, lol. the ep3 has great handling ans suspension. OEM front and rear sway bar. besides it being 2744 lbs. and made of steel. the ep's stand as a good platform, for guys who'd like the good mileage and performance. like i emphasize, "lots of potential".

 

tons of potential and they take very well to bolt-ons. stock to stock though ep3 vs. em1 is pretty much a drivers race. i love mine, it handles like it's on rails, and i still have so much more that i want to do to my suspension. and on top of everything else, they are different, not that many people are doing them so nobody knows the potential of it when you line up with them .

 

anyone know where i can get a dyno of a ep3 with i/h/e???

 

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Hondata flash is the best mod on the Ep3, if for nothing more than the extra 800-1000 rpms you gain.

Other good mods are an intake and B-pipe.

 

Im not positive but i think with i/h/e you'll be pushin about 145-150 at the wheels. Get the reflash and you'll be at like 155-158 whp.

 

Hondata and type s head

 

Back when i had an EM-1 with the stock b16 i had the chance to race a few ep3's. I doubt though they had equal mods.

The EM-1's always seemed to be able to take care of the ep3's as soon as you get into 3rd gear. This happened ritually.

I think though, both with equal bolt-ons, then having the hondata flash could be enough to get a slight edge on an similarly equipped EM-1 (minus hondata of course)

If ur a bolton bandit and want to remain that way u can get an ep3 close, if not a lil quicker in teh 1/4 with I/H/E and hondata.

It will prolly be nicer to drive around in everyday as well, 2.0 and a nice interior.

 

what is the best h/e combo for the ep3 i have been hearing alot about the dc r/h is that streetable?

how much does the re-flash set you back?

thanks for all the support guys

 

reflash is 600

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chads &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i searched with no answers.

it looks like the ep3 may be my next car but im not too impressed by the performance. I had an em1 with i/h/e and I would like my ep3 to atleast be as quick in the 1/4 mile. Although im not really a drag guy I plan to do more suspension mods than anything.

what im asking is with the same bolt ons will the ep3 match the em1 in straight line performance?

I will not do anything more than simple bolt ons so don't tell me to turbo it or whatever.

would I be better off just buying another em1?</TD></TR></TABLE>

there's this dude from ephatch hitting around 175whp with i/h/e/ and hondata reflash.. but my other friend is telling me that with dcrh/intake/exhaust/next gear head gasket will let you push it to around 175whp also or maybe less than that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Used2beAb16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Back when i had an EM-1 with the stock b16 i had the chance to race a few ep3's. I doubt though they had equal mods.

The EM-1's always seemed to be able to take care of the ep3's as soon as you get into 3rd gear. This happened ritually.
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That sounds about right. The races I've seen between the cars stock, the ep3 is even or slightly faster in the lower gears (probably due to torque) and the em1 is faster from 3rd gear on (due to hp). It really is a fascinating way to see the difference between torque and hp.

 

Dc race header, Type one b pipe, Hondata reflash, Aem CAI, motor mounts.
14's.

 

everyone hates on k20a3's but they still can be fast n/a

 

Hondatareflash + intake manifold gasket, injen cold air intake, neuspeed catback exhaust, = 154.8 hp and 133 lbft of tq for me. You should be able to take a lightly modded EM1 Si fairly easy assuming you get a good launch. With Hondata id recommend shiftning no higher than 7500 rpms. Goodluck and have fun

 

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14's.
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so useing the stock muffler with dc rh and a mid pipe wont restrict your hp??

 

the stock muffler on the EP is Hi flow from what i understand....i could be wrong. If so please feel free to correct me...

 

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it actually is. i've tested a few exhaust set-ups and the factory muffler does seem to hold a stable low end(not loosing), sacrificing for some high end torque.

 

so far I havent really seen anything that I love about the ep3. waw its comfortable and has a handy shifter.

those 2 things don't mean much to me, I want a Honda that can perform and hold its own and as of now i havent seen anything that shows the ep3 can do that.

the em1 seems to be the better choice in my case.

Im still considering an ep3 though I just wanna drive a modded ep before my decision is made.

 

well, what are you looking to love about the EP3?
i mean, what's the one thing that your hoping for, out of this car?

i have the DCRH & it is streetable. also depends on your emission laws too i guess.
i have a DCRH, & Fujitsubo Legalis R exhaust & it is very quiet.
even on a race track @ a HPDE, my buddy said he could hardly hear the car. it is not obnoxious loud. i also have the Hondata(it is $500shipped) & it is nice to have, but the Hondata K-pro i believe is the way to go. you can fine tune it to match the mods your have. because, as everyone knows, not all intakes, headers & exhaust all work the same together.
to complete my powertrain mods, i also have the Hondata IMG, Samco rad hoses, Mugen thermostat, Spoon rad cap, grounding wires, & a Neuspeed intake.
it is not alot of mods, but with those, the car is very capable. it is pretty quick. i haven't had it dynoed, but people with similar mods have put down in the 165-170whp range. this is around 190-195 crank hp.

the chassis on this car is very good. very strong & rigid.
for the handling, i have: JIC FLT-A coilovers, Mugen 25mm rear sway bar, RSX Type S front sway bar, Neuspeed front upper / CTR rear upper tie bars, & a Mugen rear upper chassis brace.

this set-up allowed me to place 9th out of 42 cars in my last auto-X, with the top 8 all driving with R compound tires.
i run 17x7.5 SSR Competitions with street tires. next season i'll be running R compounds for sure.

well, whatever your looking for in a car, the EP can give it too you. it is just a matter of what you have to do in order to get it.
for me, i would really like another point of compression, stiffer valvetrain, lightweight flywheel, & a LSD. which are all next on my list of things to do. these things will really bring the car alive & make it a real contender.

 

if you are a 1/4 mile drag type of guy and looking to hit 12's with bolt ons, then no, ep3 is not for you.

you are considering the ep3, but what really are you looking for in a car that best fits your needs and budget?

keep in mind that every stock cars, when modified right, can give you the performance and handling that you are looking for, it all depends how much time and money you wanna throw in.

 

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Hondata flash is the best mod on the Ep3, if for nothing more than the extra 800-1000 rpms you gain.

Other good mods are an intake and B-pipe.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

yea you guys are right considering i plan to put much money into my next car i shoudnt really be looking at stock performance.

there is a 02 tw ep in my area with 32k miles asking 11,950 this seems like a good price what do you guys think.

there is also a nbp ep in my area with 38k asking 11,800 obo but i really dont want alother black car, ug.

if i sell my car lancer tomarrow which looks likely ill drive up and take a look at the white one and tell you guys what I think. hopefully its in good shape.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chads &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea you guys are right considering i plan to put much money into my next car i shoudnt really be looking at stock performance.

there is a 02 tw ep in my area with 32k miles asking 11,950 this seems like a good price what do you guys think.

there is also a nbp ep in my area with 38k asking 11,800 obo but i really dont want alother black car, ug.

if i sell my car lancer tomarrow which looks likely ill drive up and take a look at the white one and tell you guys what I think. hopefully its in good shape.</TD></TR></TABLE>

those prices arent bad at all... my friend traded in his white 02 with 17k miles on it, and the dealership just got 14,900 for it. i say go for one of those ep's if you like the cars. i like mine and dont regret buying it, i just want something new, i just dont like to stay in the same car for very long...

 

You're really not going to gain much power with bolt ons. You'll be lucky to gain .5 seconds in the 1/4. Honda motors don't really benefit much from bolt ons because they are small. Now if you talk about i/h/e on a v8, it's a different story.

Since you don't want to build the motor or go FI, I would suggust saving your money or just doing suspension work. Don't be like the majority of honda drivers that have I/H/E and are still slow as ***** but think they are fast, save yourself the embarassment of getting beat by a stock altima or something no matter how many bolt ons you do.