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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 04:53 PM
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i have a 6th gen accord. i know the trannies are compatible between the two.. so my question is, can i swap just the engine and ecu into my accord? do i need a new wiring harness as well or could i reuse my current one?
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 06:43 PM
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you shoudl alwyas reuse your current harness unless it is too damaaged to be used.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 01:49 AM
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well, my question was more in the nature of if they were compatible.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 05:22 AM
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you can re-use it with some modification


dont waste all that money on an h22 if ur not gonna get a h22a tranny too
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 10:04 AM
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why would it be a waste? f23 transmissions are cheaper and geared longer (plus points in my opinion) and they share the same clutch/pressure plate/flywheel as the h22 transmissions (more plus points)....
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 10:42 AM
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i suggest u do a complete swap, transmission and everything else.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 10:52 AM
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It can be done, but it doesnt make much sense. The Tranny and the engine run on computers and its not worth any possible confusion. Since the H tranny is geared specifically for that engine, it would be much more reliable. Especially if you have a 6th gen auto I hate my tranny.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeRKoncepts &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would it be a waste? f23 transmissions are cheaper and geared longer (plus points in my opinion) and they share the same clutch/pressure plate/flywheel as the h22 transmissions (more plus points)....</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you think longer gearing is an advantage in this situation you should really reconsider what the hell ur doing dropping money on a different engine and just start reading
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 01:08 PM
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W3rd! I agree. Only benefit from a longer geared transmission is fuel economy and top speed. Who cares about top speed when a factory ECU governs itself at 115 and that's way too fast in my opinion. BUt you also probably wouldn't be worrying about fuel economy if you are doing a motor swap.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 09:16 PM
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yes, i know about the gearing of both trannies.. i'm asking because my engine has problems and my budget doesn't allow for a full swap right now. in a few months the tranny will also get swapped.. but longer gearing with an h22 is still better than a car that doesn't run period.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 10:55 PM
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Heres some advice then.

1) save and buy both.

2) Buy the motor only, and take it to a reputable shop where they can test it and (perhaps) rebuild it if not just tear it apart. Then your car will be guaranteed to work
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 12:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
2) Buy the motor only, and take it to a reputable shop where they can test it and (perhaps) rebuild it if not just tear it apart. Then your car will be guaranteed to work</TD></TR></TABLE>
i already planned on doing a compression test before i buy it.. after i purchase it, i'm doing a leak down test, and lastly, taking it apart to clean everything thoroughly.. replace parts as necessary..

getting back on topic.. Evil Nick M, you said "you can re-use it with some modification"

do you know what modifications are needed to the wiring harness? links? thanks..

also thanks to all for your inputs..
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 03:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by syclone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i already planned on doing a compression test before i buy it.. after i purchase it, i'm doing a leak down test, and lastly, taking it apart to clean everything thoroughly.. replace parts as necessary..

getting back on topic.. Evil Nick M, you said "you can re-use it with some modification"

do you know what modifications are needed to the wiring harness? links? thanks..

also thanks to all for your inputs..
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do a few search's the info is out there, basically you ll take your harness and the h22 harness cut and split the little sensor that fit.. some stuff needs to be lengthen

some sensor wont fit the h22 so you take the ones off hte h22 harness adn put them on yours.
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 05:16 PM
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Default Re: H22 by itself without complete swap? (syclone)

If you buy an h22 without the tranny be aware that some of the auto versions had only 180 versus the 200. So even though you think you might be getting a great deal you might have been better off getting another f23.

Also I didnt know that the manual transmissions were controlled by the ecu, is that just a 6th gen thing?
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 06:47 PM
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AT's are
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 07:29 PM
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Thats just my point what does an AT have to do with this thread?
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 09:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ricepicker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ..top speed when a factory ECU governs itself at 115 and that's way too fast in my opinion.</TD></TR></TABLE>
AHA i hit 118 in mine owned
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:08 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by farroutt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats just my point what does an AT have to do with this thread?</TD></TR></TABLE>

He might presently have AT (most 6th gens are) and wanting to switch to manual. Or the tranny he's getting may be (but doubtful) an AT
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dima &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
AHA i hit 118 in mine owned </TD></TR></TABLE>

No, YOU'RE owned you moron. I can think of about 3 places in the US where hitting speeds of 118 are legal and nowhere are they safe in any case. Do you have a rollcage? Were you wearing a helmet and strapped in with racing harnesses?I'm assuming it was on the highway. What if you lost control, or if you hit some family just driving home? Did you risk the lives of any passengers? That's an asshat thing to do. Accords were never meant for high speeds and just flooring it may seem fun but it's one of the most dangerous things you can do. I hope you dont do this in the future.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:25 AM
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Actually not trying to be a dick or anything but "reading owns you" <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by syclone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">99 Accord EX
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

He might presently have AT (most 6th gens are) and wanting to switch to manual. [B]Or the tranny he's getting may be (but doubtful) an AT[B] </TD></TR></TABLE>

Reading Pwnz j00 d00d!
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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You cant back yourself up with your own quote! That doesnt make any damn sense. You were the only one talking about an auto.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> He might presently have AT </TD></TR></TABLE>
No he might not presently have one, everyone makes mistakes dude its ok, you dont have to get pissed. If I were to be wrong then thats cool, like I said I wasnt being a dick, if I were being a dick I would have jumped on what you said right away. I was trying to give you a hint with the first post I made.
I still say owned! j/k
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 11:55 AM
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get the h22 tranny... highway mileage is going to go down, but you'll accelerate faster. might also top out sooner... but oh well you'll get there faster. anyone care to post the gearing on the 2 trannys in question?
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 05:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KTeller8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do a few search's the info is out there, basically you ll take your harness and the h22 harness cut and split the little sensor that fit.. some stuff needs to be lengthen

some sensor wont fit the h22 so you take the ones off hte h22 harness adn put them on yours. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you're assuming that i'll have an h22 harness..
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by syclone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a 6th gen accord. i know the trannies are compatible between the two.. so my question is, can i swap just the engine and ecu into my accord? do i need a new wiring harness as well or could i reuse my current one?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't do anything half fast. Save up and get the tranny and engine at one time, especially if you are planning on getting the tranny. You'll have to use the F23 harness and modify it to make it work with the H22. You don't need the H22 harness.
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