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Old Dec 16, 2001 | 10:03 PM
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I was going to swap my 1992 Civic VX master cylinder/brake booster with a unit from a ITR, but I noticed that the ITR brake booster has 4 bolts on the side going into the cockpit, whereas my Civic unit only has 2 bolts.

Is this right? I keep reading that people are doing Interga master cylinder/brake booster swaps as direct bolt ons and I have never seen anyone mention that the Civic setup is 2 bolt vs the Interga 4 bolt.

If I keep the stock booster, but swap the master cylinder, would it give my brakes a little more grip?

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Old Dec 16, 2001 | 10:53 PM
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won't help your brakes AT ALL! I tried the 15/16" MC and 1" on stock size brakes. Never felt a difference till I swapped on Teg brakes/knuckles.

Best $150 you can spend on brakes!
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Old Dec 17, 2001 | 05:44 PM
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I have already swapped in disc brakes from a 99 GSR, and while the larger disc in the front and the disc in the back help a little, it is not stopping as well as it should. I suspect the stock 13/15" MC/booster is not delivering enough pressure to the calipers.

Is anyone here running stock booster and MC with GSR brakes with good results?

Bottom line: Do I have to swap out the booster to get decent performance or will swapping in a 1" MC do the trick?

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Old Dec 17, 2001 | 11:48 PM
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Its all about the 40\40 Proportioning Valve...

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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 12:06 AM
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swap the mc and the booster its worth it. there are 4 bolts under there, just gotta get way in there and find the other 2 they are there.
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 12:23 AM
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hatchy....
I dunno why your civic has a 2 post booster, but nonetheless, an integra MC/booster will fit on your EG.

You'll totally notice the better brake power once you slap that integra MC/booster on. That's where all the braking power you're missing out on is at....

meat - integra mc/booster
potatoes - GSR/integra brakes
side of sour cream - proportioning valve
(although I think PV isn't manditory, I've ran a stock civic PV and then switched to an Si/EX's PV and didnt notice anything better)
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 08:02 AM
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Is anyone here running stock booster and MC with GSR brakes with good results?
The pedal feel will be worse. You have to move more fluid (larger calipers) with a small (stock) master cylinder piston. I am sure several people are using the stock booster/master cylinder... esp. those who have B18C1 swaps...
Installing the booster/master cylinder after the motor in is a fun task.

Do I have to swap out the booster to get decent performance or will swapping in a 1" MC do the trick?
The first ting to do is swap the master cylinder! That will help even a stock braking system.

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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 08:08 AM
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Thanks for the feedback, I'll go ahead with the swap and see what happens this weeken!
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 11:18 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, I'll go ahead with the swap and see what happens this weeken!
Koo, I'm with you. I'm about to throw my GSR MC/booster into my 93 CX. I also have the front GSR knuckles and brakes/calipers and I'm odering the rear disc brakes tommorow. Maybe we can share results.
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 02:06 AM
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Default Re: Thanks (SuperDuperEG)

I'm with all of u too.. after this xmas headache, I'll be installing the SI front brakes (Hawk HP+ pads), front 26mm CTR swaybar and LCAs, rear LS brakes (AEM/Nissin pads) and rear 22mm ITR swaybar, with Integra mc/booster, 4040 prop..

I'll post up the results right after..
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 10:19 AM
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I'm with you fockers too! I'm doing an ITR suspension in a '92 VX.
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 10:22 AM
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Default Re: Problem swapping ITR master cylinder/booster with EG civic (Willard)

Does an ITR MC/Booster move more fluid/is stronger/better than an Integra GSR MC/Booster?
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 10:28 AM
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Default Re: Problem swapping ITR master cylinder/booster with EG civic (ESCALVANTE)

Same piston diameter as far as I know.

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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 10:28 AM
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nope..same ****, just different resivour cup.
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 12:36 PM
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Well all I can throw into this suject is my own swap, 93 coupe dx, first swap gsr rear disc's with civic four door e-brake cables, (4 and 2 door coupe's are same part # just as hatch's and integra's are) and I felt a very slight improvement but the brake pedal was a little further down when appling brake compaired to stock, next I went ahead and installed the power booster and master cyl for a 94-95 integra LS/GSR, while rerouting one brake line and cutting very little off and reflaring the line with the abs fitting on there, while at the same time I installed a non abs porporting valve off a 92 integra ls 40/40, that made a large improvement, the pedal was very firm better than stock, that would have been fine but I also swapped out the front brake's to do the hybrid type-r front brakes, 94 integra knuckles, 92 accord wagon calipers and 94 lude vtec rotors redrilled, now after installing those, the brake feel was great, pedal wasn't as firm but still a little firmer than stock but the over all braking was greatly improved.
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 04:05 PM
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Gonzo,When you swapped the boosterout, , did your DX booster have 2 or 4 bolts??ON my 92 VX, it looks like the booster has only 2 bolts and to make matters worst, it looks like there are only 2 holes in the firewall for those bolts, so I am not sure the Intega booster will swap in without modification..

The Intega booster is 4 bolts.

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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 05:14 PM
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92-95 hatchbacks have 4 bolts for the brake booster.
The top 2 are kinda hard to get to... I usually do it by feel

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Old Dec 21, 2001 | 06:54 AM
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Like everyone else is saying, there is 4 studs on all civic/integra boosters, look under your steering column, the two bottom nuts are easy to get to, the other two are harder to get to so use a flash light and possibly a mirror to locate, when I did mine the bottom two were easy and so was the left upper nut to get to, it was the right upper nut that was not really visible
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Old Dec 21, 2001 | 01:12 PM
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Default Re: Problem swapping ITR master cylinder/booster with EG civic (Gonzo)

oh yah, and invest in a deep 12mm.. First time I took one off at a yard, I was there for 20 mins taking that pos off.. Next time around, deep 12 = 5 mins..
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Old Dec 21, 2001 | 02:44 PM
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Thanks!!
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