I'm putting the K20a in my EG soon, but I want to know what cams would give me the most top end power. I know Toda's are notorious for mid-range, but I want see that mid range past first gear. The engine will never drop below 6k so I need the most top end power as possible.

What do you guys think??? Will the Toda C's give me more top end then the Skunk2 Stage 3's??? BTW, I'm planning on having 13:0:1 compression and head P&P by portflow. No this won't be done over the weekend or a month but will get donw nevertheless. So.......what do you guys think????

 

they both good company, but i would rather choose toda over skunk2, i myself hving skunk2 cams for my h22a, they are great. but this is equal japan(toda) vs skunk2(taiwan). if budget allows, i would choose toda for sure, i did not say down skunk2 product, i love my cams and cam gear. they hv good quality.

if u running that CR, choose the one with higher lift and bigger duration, it will give u more power if u head is done

just one more things. don't get the skunk2 valve or valve spring. but get teh retainer, they are good quality

 

When did skunk release their cams?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 112480 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm putting the K20a in my EG soon, but I want to know what cams would give me the most top end power. I know Toda's are notorious for mid-range, but I want see that mid range past first gear. The engine will never drop below 6k so I need the most top end power as possible.

What do you guys think??? Will the Toda C's give me more top end then the Skunk2 Stage 3's??? BTW, I'm planning on having 13:0:1 compression and head P&P by portflow. No this won't be done over the weekend or a month but will get donw nevertheless. So.......what do you guys think????</TD></TR></TABLE>

skunk hasn't even come out with K series cams so no one can give you a real answer.

 

ah....um.... toda C's ??? skunk2 stg 3's??? for the k20 lol...why don't you get both dyno them & keep the better ones

on a serious note - neither are out yet... toda N2's just came out...skunk2 doesn't have anything out yet either

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adirondackR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ah....um.... toda C's ??? skunk2 stg 3's??? for the k20 lol...why don't you get both dyno them & keep the better ones

on a serious note - neither are out yet... toda N2's just came out...skunk2 doesn't have anything out yet either </TD></TR></TABLE>

Toda C's are.

 

why dont you go to their websites:
http://www.todaracing.com
http://www.skunk2.com

and read about each one and then choose from there.

also price wise, its like apples and avocados (haha) one cost a lot more then the other, but if you are mister money bags, then get bling bling with toda.

 

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Toda C's are. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Love this guy, brings nothing but the truth.

 

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http://www.todaracing.com
http://www.skunk2.com

and read about each one and then choose from there.

also price wise, its like apples and avocados (haha) one cost a lot more then the other, but if you are mister money bags, then get bling bling with toda. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I went to their websites. Just wanted peoples opinions on the subject.

 

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I went to their websites. Just wanted peoples opinions on the subject.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i did give you my opinion, if you have the dough get toda, if you dont then get skunk2. they both will give you good power.

 

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I went to their websites. Just wanted peoples opinions on the subject.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Best thing to do is wait.

Skunk2 and JUN haven't released anything yet.

No one has dynoed any stage Crowers nor has anyone dynoed the Toda B and C cams.

I know it sucks but just be patient.

 

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Best thing to do is wait.

Skunk2 and JUN haven't released anything yet.

No one has dynoed any stage Crowers nor has anyone dynoed the Toda B and C cams.

I know it sucks but just be patient.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm actually thinking about trying the Crower Stage 2 Cam in my RSX. They can't be that bad. I know it's Crower and the name doesn't sound all that good but it might actually make good power. You get both cams for about 800 dollars and the valve train is 400. Total will be about 1500 installed. Beats paying 2300 for the N2 setup which is just a Stage 1 Cam setup.

 

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I'm actually thinking about trying the Crower Stage 2 Cam in my RSX. They can't be that bad. I know it's Crower and the name doesn't sound all that good but it might actually make good power. You get both cams for about 800 dollars and the valve train is 400. Total will be about 1500 installed. Beats paying 2300 for the N2 setup which is just a Stage 1 Cam setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well bro you may want to do a search on http://www.clubrsx.com
There was a pretty big discussion on crower cams and the main thing is that crower seems to not provide all the information you need to tune it correctly. People want to run the car safely but crower seemed to only "estimate" or rather not say anything at all on the subject.

With Toda they have dyno'd and tested all of thier products and have blown up many motors to fine tune the cams so that we do not kill our motors. Last I heard crower had not done this yet.

I am not saying crower is a bad company, dont get me wrong. I have heard of good gains on b series motors with the crower cams. So in the end it is up to you bro. Toda just seems to be more up to par on the k series motors. They provide cams for the N1 cars so what does that tell you.

Remember bro, quality not quantity.

 

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Well bro you may want to do a search on http://www.clubrsx.com
There was a pretty big discussion on crower cams and the main thing is that crower seems to not provide all the information you need to tune it correctly. People want to run the car safely but crower seemed to only "estimate" or rather not say anything at all on the subject.


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Where does Toda tell you how far you can adjust the VTC on their cams?

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With Toda they have dyno'd and tested all of thier products and have blown up many motors to fine tune the cams so that we do not kill our motors. Last I heard crower had not done this yet.

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Way to make stuff up. Why don't you call Toda and ask them for a dyno sheet to their B or C cams. They'll tell you the same thing they told me. They've never tested them on a dyno.

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I am not saying crower is a bad company, dont get me wrong. I have heard of good gains on b series motors with the crower cams. So in the end it is up to you bro. Toda just seems to be more up to par on the k series motors. They provide cams for the N1 cars so what does that tell you.

Remember bro, quality not quantity.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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I'm actually thinking about trying the Crower Stage 2 Cam in my RSX. They can't be that bad. I know it's Crower and the name doesn't sound all that good but it might actually make good power. You get both cams for about 800 dollars and the valve train is 400. Total will be about 1500 installed. Beats paying 2300 for the N2 setup which is just a Stage 1 Cam setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, there is a guy on here that sells the Crower cams/springs/retainers for under $1100 shipped. Just look in the sponsor marketplace for a Crower sale.

 

what the ... ??

so ... which one makes more power ... n2 or spec C?

 

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Where does Toda tell you how far you can adjust the VTC on their cams?

Way to make stuff up. Why don't you call Toda and ask them for a dyno sheet to their B or C cams. They'll tell you the same thing they told me. They've never tested them on a dyno.

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You've been misinformed my son. I've been to the Toda office in California and seen dyno sheets of B and C cams on a K20A motor, granted it's a full race motor, but they do have dyno sheets. How do you think they design them??? Maybe they told you they don't have dyno sheets of those cams on a street motor?

And as far as VTC adjustments, Toda says you need to disable VTC for B and C cams because at minimal adjustments there will be valve to valve contact. Remeber Toda is not a tuner type company, they're a racing company, so the B and C cams are made for racing engines, that's why they get rid of VTC because the engines are running from 5000rpm and up constantly and they don't see below that on a race track. They specifically made the N2 to be safe with VTC's 50 degrees of adjustability.


But of course no matter what anyone says or what information is relayed, you can't change the mind of a Toda hater.

 

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But of course no matter what anyone says or what information is relayed, you can't change the mind of a Toda hater. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think he's a Toda hater, he just misinformed. But honestly i drove a Type-S with the Toda N2 Kit and i wasn't impressed at all. Vtec engagued at about 3900 which i think is too early, and it didn't feel like the car had any pull. The guy that owned the car was running 15.9's all night. He was complaining that the car is slow, i told him its the driver. Then he let me drive it and i could see what he was talking about.

 

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You've been misinformed my son. I've been to the Toda office in California and seen dyno sheets of B and C cams on a K20A motor, granted it's a full race motor, but they do have dyno sheets. How do you think they design them??? Maybe they told you they don't have dyno sheets of those cams on a street motor?

And as far as VTC adjustments, Toda says you need to disable VTC for B and C cams because at minimal adjustments there will be valve to valve contact. Remeber Toda is not a tuner type company, they're a racing company, so the B and C cams are made for racing engines, that's why they get rid of VTC because the engines are running from 5000rpm and up constantly and they don't see below that on a race track. They specifically made the N2 to be safe with VTC's 50 degrees of adjustability.


But of course no matter what anyone says or what information is relayed, you can't change the mind of a Toda hater. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Look, I don't feel replying to each thing you said, so I'll be short.

I was repeating exactly what I was told about the dynos by some guy at AKH. And yes, you can design a cam without dynoing it. You ever wonder why some cams don't make great power?

People like you are absolutely hopeless. You will buy whatever is expensive, JDM, or whatever someone else tells you to.

I'm done.

 

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People like you are absolutely hopeless. You will buy whatever is expensive, JDM, or whatever someone else tells you to.

I'm done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not hopeless man, I'm just not a cheap *** like you who has to put down anything expensive.