http://www.korbachperformance.com/index.htm

I saw these online today and tried doin a search on honda-tech but everything seems more like an advertisement than a real review. Anybody have real experience with these or opinions? Sounds too good to be true but that's just me being skeptical. I'd like to believe it works.

 

First I have heard of them as well, would like to know if anyone else has positive/negative experiences with these....

 

basically someone that isn't sponsored by them

 

There "Korbach Promise" sounds pretty convinving... I mean, its Risk Free right?

 

I spoke to Jake from Korbach and they offer a money back guarantee. No questions asked. What do you have to lose... There are a couple of group buys going on right now for like $175 shipped or something like that. I think jamesq on someone here has one going on......

 

If you did a search you should have found a few good independant reviews from people that have installed them. They're not sponsored by Korbach, they were simply asked to write their opinions on them after they installed them.

I have just purchased a set and will be installing them in about a week and then posting my review on here. My review will be slightly different than the rest because I just ran my car at the local track as it is now and will be going back to run again after I install the frame locks. I will post my before and after lap times plus my own subjective review, so stay tuned.

 

i too am interested in this,.. i like to auto cross alot and well hey if these work as good as they say they do then.. i will buy seom of maybe fab up some myself.


NOTE:
take many pics and maybe also during install so we can learn the geometry behind it.

 

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NOTE:
take many pics and maybe also during install so we can learn the geometry behind it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

There's already been a couple good posts with pics on here already showing how they look and where they go etc. If you want an explaination of how the product works, just do a search on here and you'll find all the info you need.

 

yea but those people were given the kits at $70 bucks, iono a completely unbiased review is what i'm looking for and didn't really find any, they were always answers coming straight from the site

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leadtrum &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea but those people were given the kits at $70 bucks, iono a completely unbiased review is what i'm looking for and didn't really find any, they were always answers coming straight from the site</TD></TR></TABLE>

Only the first few brought to market went for $70 dollars, the rest went for double that or more as an introductory price till the end of September, and now they are all full price I believe. Regardless of what people paid, if the product was crap or didn't work, even the people who paid "only" $70 dollars would still be PO'd that they wasted that money on something that didn't work and would have said that in their write ups. No matter, I'm certainly not associated with them in anyway and will be posting my review on here for all to see in about a weeks time or so. This is also why I went to the track so I would have some hard numbers to post up for all the people that want to see hard numbers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Only the first few brought to market went for $70 dollars, the rest went for double that or more as an introductory price till the end of September, and now they are all full price I believe. Regardless of what people paid, if the product was crap or didn't work, even the people who paid "only" $70 dollars would still be PO'd that they wasted that money on something that didn't work and would have said that in their write ups. No matter, I'm certainly not associated with them in anyway and will be posting my review on here for all to see in about a weeks time or so. This is also why I went to the track so I would have some hard numbers to post up for all the people that want to see hard numbers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and i thank you for that , so i'm assuming it kind of turns your bumper support into something that stiffens your car I'm guessing? that's the only explanation I can think of how it works.

 

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and i thank you for that , so i'm assuming it kind of turns your bumper support into something that stiffens your car I'm guessing? that's the only explanation I can think of how it works.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes essentially....Korbach gives a pretty good description of exactly how it all works on their site. It basically uses the front bumper to tie the front frame rails together as a "boxed" section to significantly stiffen the chassis and make it more responsive. I think it sort of uses a similar "concept" of a lower tie-bar brace that ties the lower suspension points together to form a rigid structure and make the car more responsive.

 

Yes, I agree the reviews sound scripted and is patterned very similarly. If we were scripted, we would be smart enough to write it differently each time. However if you read the testimonials from our web site, everyone wrote it a little different because they never saw other reviews to emulate from.

The early reviews were from moderators, founders of web sites and we did honestly let them have the parts at near cost of $ 70 - $ 95. However, we have been emphatic about writing honest reviews. Keep in mind that moderators are rsiking their reputations by stating the reviews. I don't think they would do that to save $ 100. Besides, if they wrote a bad review, they'd still get the parts at that price. The more recent reviews are from customers who have paid full price. These are members of your clubs and others who have years at the clubs.

Here are some links. You can look at this as being informative or marketing. Search Google for Korbach Performance and do you own research. There is not one bad review.


&gt; Korbach Performance’s Frame Locks makes the front cover of the September issue of Honda Tuning magazine. Cover: “Best handling upgrade you don’t know about”. Link is:

http://hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/0409ht_honda/

&gt; Product reviews from the co founder, moderators, racers and members of a popular car enthusiast club (Clubsi.com)

http://forums.clubsi.com/showf...art=1

&gt; Product review from the founder and web master of a car enthusiast club (Speed-society.com)

http://www.speed-society.com/f...locks/

&gt; Product review from a member (Team 4 R) of a popular car enthusiast club (Clubcivic.com).
http://www.clubcivic.com/board...rbach

&gt; Product review (Nate) from a Honda swap web site (Hondaswap.com)
http://www.hondaswap.com/forum...45556

&gt; Product review from 1st time poster Kevin Demmons – great review
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1014385

&gt; Product review from a car enthusiast web site club in Canada.
http://forums.beyond.ca/showth...59871


&gt; Review from former skeptic at a popular car enthusiast web site club known as Honda-tech.com. Reaction is controversial and doubting whether it works
https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

&gt; Review from Club civic Mortasaurus
http://www.clubcivic.com/board...rbach

&gt; Honda tech review SKEPTIC, now likes them
https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1 Repeat posting https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

&gt; Nate Kiner review.
http://www.hondashowoff.com/index.php

Great review
&gt; Ejaysixxx –
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=995700


Keep in mind the people that doubt these have good theories on why it does not work, but they have not actually driven our product. Objective numbers are good, but you can't throw out the subjective feed back. Especially when it is so strong.

David Lawson
Korbach Performance

 

i'm guessing if i cut out my bumper support to mount my intercooler this product would not work for me. i still have the very ends of the support its just the middle that's gone.

 

would be useless if you completely separated the front bumper braces.
you can check out my review by clicking on my sig to see my take on the frame locks.

 

korbach changed my life!!! i got all the girls that I needed, i decided to talk myself out of suicide, it cleared up my acne, and I'm an all round better person thanks to korbach! THANK YOU KORBACH!!!

actually, i would be interested in these too, i'd imagine i could just get some places of metal and weld them and make my own for a fraction of the price, but i don't know if theres something "special" about these. and Dennis, lets hurry up and get that car running first before you worry about "locking" your frame!!!

 

Does anyone know when they are scheduled to release them for EGs?

 

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We have not sponsored anyone. The latest reviews are from our first wave of customers who paid full price. We offered the Frame Locks to moderators at a reduced price because otherwise they may not buy something that they never heard of. We also insist on honest reviews only.

David Lawson
Korbach Performance

 

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Yes 100 % money back if you are not satisfied for any reason. 45 day return policy. We have not had one return.

David Lawson
Korbach Performance

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you did a search you should have found a few good independant reviews from people that have installed them. They're not sponsored by Korbach, they were simply asked to write their opinions on them after they installed them.

I have just purchased a set and will be installing them in about a week and then posting my review on here. My review will be slightly different than the rest because I just ran my car at the local track as it is now and will be going back to run again after I install the frame locks. I will post my before and after lap times plus my own subjective review, so stay tuned.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks. All I can say is be prepared to be doubted by your fellow club members. When you post your review, please email me with the URL on manager@korbachperformance.com. Again, if you are not happy with your Frame Locks, mail them back for a full refund.

David Lawson
Korbach Performance

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cueballsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i too am interested in this,.. i like to auto cross alot and well hey if these work as good as they say they do then.. i will buy seom of maybe fab up some myself.


NOTE:
take many pics and maybe also during install so we can learn the geometry behind it. </TD></TR></TABLE>


If you copy the Frame Locks, please copy it verbatim. To make it too stiff fore/aft or local torsion could compromise air bag deployment. You don't want them going off if you drive over a medium pot hole. Our Frame locks were designed and tested at the air bag sensor with vibrational measurment equipment to assure that it will not cause a false air bag deployment. The design was to achieve lateral stiffness improvements without significantly affecting the fore/aft. In addition, we added a triangular hole pattern and a cut out to allow for crush initiation and to dampen the pulse sent to the air bag sensor. These are what we have patented as out Progressive Crush Impulse Dampening hole pattern. Please be very careful what you do. We can not accept any liability on how you emulate our design.

If you fab something up, please let us know the time you spent and the equipment you needed.

Thanks

David Lawson
Korbach Performance

 

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We needed to offer the Frame Locks at an attractive price to moderators, founders and Racers at the clubs in order for them to try it out. Many did not want to shell out full retail for a company they never heard of. The later reviews are from paid customers. We did not pay them to boost the claims. Also the reviews are splattered all over the internet and not just on our web site. Do a google search on Korbach and you will see.

Thanks

David Lawson
Korbach Performance

 

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and i thank you for that , so i'm assuming it kind of turns your bumper support into something that stiffens your car I'm guessing? that's the only explanation I can think of how it works.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Here's an explanation why they work:


Frame Locks quickens the steering response by increasing the lateral (side) stiffness of the front frame. Visualize a car going into a sharp turn. As this occurs, the road surface exerts a lateral load to your front tires at the tire patch. In an extreme turn your tires will want to scrub out to the side. The lateral load of the tires will translate a lateral load to the suspension which in turns translates a lateral load to the front frame. The front frame of the car will flex and the time it takes to flex will result in a lagged response of the steering. Although the time it takes to flex may not seem to be significant. In actuality it is. For example at 40 mph, a vehicle is traveling at 58 feet/second. The simple calculations are as follows: [40 miles/hr x 5280 ft/mile] / [60 minutes/hour x 60 seconds/minute]) = 58 ft/sec. If stiffening the front frame results in a reduction of flex time of even 1/10th of a second, that translates to 5.8 ft of vehicle travel which is significant.The Civic is great car and the rigidity of its chassis is above par for it’s price class. However, it was not designed by the OEM to be a high performance car. That’s why there is a huge after market industry to cater to driving enthusiasts wanting more out of their Civics. The front lateral stiffness of the Civic has a lot of opportunity for improvement. It is by far the “weakest link in the chain” for chassis design. The current architecture relies on the lower radiator support to transfer the lateral load from the left front rail to the right front rail. Since the lower radiator support is at a lower elevation than the front rails, the load path takes a zig zag and that is a very inefficient structural design for high performance expectations. A close look at the lower radiator support will also indicate that the fore aft section thickness is quite narrow. Because of this, it does not yield that much stiffness when loaded laterally for the rails. Ideally the way to efficiently transfer the lateral load of the right rail to the left rail is to do this on the same plane. It just so happens that the bumper beam is at the same plane. Unfortunately, the attachment stiffness to the frame rails is very weak. This is designed in this manner to reduce cost and ease the assembly to assure fit and finish. High performance cars have stiffer attachments in this area.Basically, the Frame Locks unifies the entire front chassis by effectively tying the front rails together. Professional race cars also have stiff chassis and they do so for this very reason. It’s not always about the suspension. A high performance car also needs a stiff chassis to make the suspension work effectively.


Thanks

David Lawson
Korbach Performance

 

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Korbach Performance</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yo David, get someone to edit your site a bit... I found these 2 things in the first 3 minutes:

"They’re not really aren't an aftermarket upgrade."

"However, the mounting brackets for the fog lamps can be modified by cutting a small portion of it out with a die cutter."

I think you mean die grinder... dunno too many people with a die cutter in their garage.