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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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Hi, I'm thinking about buying a set of JL w3v2's. It's gonna be powered by the 1400D mono block.

I have a friend with 2 12' AudioBahns and his **** is powered by a 2000w amp.

I was under the impression that the said JL setup would pound damn hard, but is it going to be sufficient to top out my buddy's setup?

I want this **** to quad to some 'get-crunked' ****.. is the 1400 going to be suitable for the application? THanks!
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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 04:08 PM
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depending on what ohm you get....if you get dual 4 ohm I suggest a kicker 600.1 and JBL 600.1 of Hifonics NX750D thatd be running at 1 ohm...I have no clue what this 1400d stuff you speak of is....you dont need that much power
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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 04:09 PM
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oh yeah by the tell way you friend to ditch his audiobahn stuff and get real ****
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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 04:23 PM
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I'm assuming you "amp" is gonna push out 1400watts.If so you gonna blow those w3v2s.They only need about 300-350 to get there maximum potential.
First what amp(specific) are you getting,what do you want out of your system,and why are you going with JLs?
Answer these 3 so we can better help you .
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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 05:33 PM
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Specific amp is the e1400D..
http://www.jlaudio.com/amps/e1400.html

I wanna go with JL cause my understanding is they're best bang for the buck.

I guess I wouldn't have to max out the amp (which is a good thing I suppose) but would this still be a nice system?

I want a system that bumps when I crank it, and hits notes clear when I have it at moderate levels. I want something that the person in the car next to me can feel.
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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 06:22 PM
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jl is extremely high priced...but excellent quality...that amp would be close to pushing the 12 w3v2's to their full potential....kicker makes a quality amp the 600.1 would be real nice and save ya $$
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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 06:27 PM
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look into reaudio.com they make awesome subs try 2 SE 12's it will blow your friends mind and keep money in your pocket
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Old Oct 5, 2004 | 07:30 PM
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I'm trying to understand this whole audio business.

Right now I have 2 10's with an MTX amp.
This one - http://www.mtxaudio.com/caraud...D.cfm

Looking at the RMS it says 500 while the JL e1400D shows 400.

http://www.jlaudio.com/amps/e1400.html

I was under the impression that my amp sucked. Could I be wrong? I dunno.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 03:18 AM
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There a ton of better amps in that price range.One to look into is a Hifonics BX1000d.
Its 1 ohm stable and from what i've seen it puts out clean power.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...&rd=1

As far as subs,like drkblue said, you might wanna look into http://www.reaudio.com
every sub they sell is excellent.
If you want 2 subs than the SX would be a good match.But I can almost promise you that one XXX with put to shame his 2 subs.
Heres a vid of one 15" XXX: http://www.powered4sound.com/R...S.MOV

If I left anything out feel free to pm me anytime,Good Luck.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 09:42 AM
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an RE XXX will pound, and it'll sound great!

http://yellow.mynethost.com/~b...39aed

Stryke Used to have the AV15 for $165, if you can get that deal, then for the money... 2 AV15's will be hard to beat (in terms of SPL... good SQ too)

Otherwise...another budget choice...which Styke actually lists to compare to on that site, is the Adire Tempest.

About JL amps: They're great, but as far as being the best deal, I'd have to disagree. Hifonics and especially JBL/kicker are popular choices for high-wattage budget amps.

Furthermore, that e1400d isn't all that powerful.

I don't know what other amp options are available to you, as I haven't even really researched higher-wattage amps, but that JL amp is about half as powerful as my sub amp...and I don't consider my amp to be all that "big."

I do remember that Clarion released an amp based off the Arc Audio 2500cxl, if you can find that, it'd be a great buy. I'm unsure as to the model number: probably Clarion apx1000.2 (that's my foggy recollection)... Powerful as hell and usually under $250 used. Problem: Huge power drain on Alternator --> good reason to go Class D (This is an A/B amp).

Good Luck...
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 01:18 PM
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Yeah JL makes some great stuff but Audiobahn is definately not ****. Personally I think they are some of the best amps out there and they carry a resonable price tag. Personally Sony is what I would call ****. Why is it you have to top out your buddys system? You guys need to grow up it isn't all about how loud it goes it's more about having a clear sounding system that can also go loud which you can do with Audiobahn stuff. You guys do realize all these 2000W amps turned way up are going to hurt your hearing and in 20 years you wont be able to hear worth a ****. I would personally get either Audiobahn or JL amp I like Audiobahn a little better but that just is my personal opinion both are great and sound about the same.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 02:11 PM
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my personal opinion is that audiobahn is a joke. Their products sell for a few reasons though. they're cheap, they're chrome which all the little kids like, and hey claim these huge amounts of power. They are not some of the best stuff out there. if you consider audiobahn to be so you may want to expand your horizons and look into a lot of the otehr brands that are out there.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys do realize all these 2000W amps turned way up are going to hurt your hearing and in 20 years you wont be able to hear worth a ****. </TD></TR></TABLE>

how many of these amps will actually hit 2000W?
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 03:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hometheaterman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah JL makes some great stuff but Audiobahn is definately not ****. Personally I think they are some of the best amps out there and they carry a resonable price tag. Personally Sony is what I would call ****. Why is it you have to top out your buddys system? You guys need to grow up it isn't all about how loud it goes it's more about having a clear sounding system that can also go loud which you can do with Audiobahn stuff. You guys do realize all these 2000W amps turned way up are going to hurt your hearing and in 20 years you wont be able to hear worth a ****. I would personally get either Audiobahn or JL amp I like Audiobahn a little better but that just is my personal opinion both are great and sound about the same. </TD></TR></TABLE>

But damn... what a ride....

One thing you might consider is a capacitor to accompany your new 2000w amp. Dont want to damage your alternator by overworking it.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 07:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PFTKev &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But damn... what a ride....

One thing you might consider is a capacitor to accompany your new 2000w amp. Dont want to damage your alternator by overworking it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nah,a capacitor is useless,unless you get a Batcap,which is like a small battery.

Heres a couple of links to read to prove this.
http://audioforum.termpro.com/...13838
http://audioforum.termpro.com/...02833
http://audioforum.termpro.com/...00966
http://audioforum.termpro.com/...01570
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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HEH, I was telling the employee at Goodguys that a CAP is useless unless it's a batcap. That's almost exactly what I said...and he just stared at me like I was some fool...

I agree that Sound Quality should be emphasized, but SPL is fun...admit it. The truth of the matter is that most great SQ systems will get more than loud enough for me...I don't need anything more.

And Audiobahn is audio-rice... Look at their subs, look at their amps: It's more important for their amp to have chrome than true heatsinking... Any serious car-audio enthusiast will discourage their use.
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Old Oct 7, 2004 | 03:31 PM
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If Goodguys is anything like a Best Buy,they only know whats in front of them or what they learned at orientation.There are some exceptions,but most likely they want know about anything they don't sell.

They act like a cap is the answer to any drainage probelm.
But as I have seen a lot its mostly just poor wiring(Installer) or non-sufficient OEM wires. Always check first.
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Old Oct 8, 2004 | 10:23 PM
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guys... first off, there no better then JL. its expensive because its good.. you get what you pay for, whether speaking of auto parts or audio parts or anything... you can go get a fleamarket amp for 100 bucks and push anything... its all about the quality of the audio signal and how the audio sig is amplified via amplifier to the speakers.... this will determine the precision of the sound.. everyone knows that all JL components are made to work with their JL counterparts.. there are no better combinations

that e1400d will power the subs to almost their full potential, but you must understand that full potential means the verge of blowing.. you never want to max out a sub

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chezicrator. not tryin to sell- just letting all u guys know whatup

Ive heard this same setup, it hits-trust me, but it sounds so damn crisp the sq is just amazing

ALSO- audiobahn is defininitly audio rice!!! haha i agree! no crazy chroms housings with flames n **** on a JL-

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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 10:53 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tegsallgood &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">guys... first off, there no better then JL. its expensive because its good.. you get what you pay for, whether speaking of auto parts or audio parts or anything... you can go get a fleamarket amp for 100 bucks and push anything... its all about the quality of the audio signal and how the audio sig is amplified via amplifier to the speakers.... this will determine the precision of the sound.. everyone knows that all JL components are made to work with their JL counterparts.. there are no better combinations

that e1400d will power the subs to almost their full potential, but you must understand that full potential means the verge of blowing.. you never want to max out a sub

POP

chezicrator. not tryin to sell- just letting all u guys know whatup

Ive heard this same setup, it hits-trust me, but it sounds so damn crisp the sq is just amazing

ALSO- audiobahn is defininitly audio rice!!! haha i agree! no crazy chroms housings with flames n **** on a JL- </TD></TR></TABLE>
There is plenty out there better than JL.
Both in the Amps and Sub department and especially in speaker.
JL makes some good stuff, but hardly the best.
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 11:43 AM
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About JL (or any company) being the "best": I don't like to make definitive statements on something so subjective. I'm going to agree that JL, in general, puts out some outstanding products, and their reputation was rightfully earned.

I don't think it can be argued that there are no better alternatives to JL amps and component speakers (I haven't tried JL's new component release though). BUT, as for subwoofers, JL is arguably on top. Their w7, w6v2, and now Gotham and Fathom Home Theater subs (I'm going to assume they implemented these well) are arguably in the same league as the best. I can't say that they are the best, I can't say that others are better, it becomes subjective at this point. Some people actually hate the sound of the w7...

BUT - to say that JL is a trusted company, that they make, at the very least, decent products which are usually worth their price - I can agree.
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 02:06 PM
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I have to interject: JL audio runs the show. I have a w6v2 and a 500/1 amp; you get this and that's all you need I promise. Sounds like 2 or MORE 12s in your trunk, you really have to spend a little to get the best ****.
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 02:08 PM
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By the way, you know what kind of battery/alternator you need to run a 500/1 amp that'll push like a 1500 watt Best Buy amp? Mine is stock. High power just doesn't always mean better system. Welcome to Marketing 101. Audiobahn is a prime example.
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 02:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gimme_h22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to interject: JL audio runs the show. I have a w6v2 and a 500/1 amp; you get this and that's all you need I promise. Sounds like 2 or MORE 12s in your trunk, you really have to spend a little to get the best ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm gonna have to agree and disagree.I had 2 12w6v2s and man they were ridiculous.I only had a Punch 800.2 on them and they were crazy loud.

But where I disagree is you saying JL audio runs the show or being the best.I'll break it down into 2 categories price and build quality.
Now we all know JLs are not cheap so that arguement it not even open for discussion.

Just for comparasion: JL Audio 13w7- $629(eBay)
RE Audio 15in XXX- $399

Now as far as build quality,I don't know if you know or not but almost all of these companys we have mentioned build these speakers by hand,and to your specfication.Where as JL has some factory ship them there subs from Germany(I think).So theres no comparision there either.
One more little fact,the amp I'm gonna run daily on my XXX would void the warranty from JL.peace.
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 07:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm gonna have to agree and disagree.I had 2 12w6v2s and man they were ridiculous.I only had a Punch 800.2 on them and they were crazy loud.

But where I disagree is you saying JL audio runs the show or being the best.I'll break it down into 2 categories price and build quality.
Now we all know JLs are not cheap so that arguement it not even open for discussion.

Just for comparasion: JL Audio 13w7- $629(eBay)
RE Audio 15in XXX- $399

Now as far as build quality,I don't know if you know or not but almost all of these companys we have mentioned build these speakers by hand,and to your specfication.Where as JL has some factory ship them there subs from Germany(I think).So theres no comparision there either.
One more little fact,the amp I'm gonna run daily on my XXX would void the warranty from JL.peace. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed as for the W6 sounding liek 2 or more subs. So do other subs. The JL amps are good power amps. Their build is good. But I have come across other better amps. Depending on my price range, I would opt to go with a JL amp, but If I have the cash to spend I won't buy JL amps. The only JL sub I would buy is the W7, W6 are nice, but I have found much better.
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 07:41 PM
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i have sold an installed brand after brand after brand... JL IS THE BEST...

but agreed with a previous statement- after you get to the level of the w6v2 and the w7 its subjective... but if there is a league of the best, JL is definitly in it, and you KNOW that w7 is in it.. as for their amps, amazing amazing trusted electronics.. they have proven time and again that they are with the best if not THE best.

JL is on top.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gimme_h22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By the way, you know what kind of battery/alternator you need to run a 500/1 amp that'll push like a 1500 watt Best Buy amp? Mine is stock. High power just doesn't always mean better system. Welcome to Marketing 101. Audiobahn is a prime example. </TD></TR></TABLE>

audiobahn is definitly a prime example...

props to them because they are selling.. ashame for their buyers though..

its like when you go to a flea market and theyve got the shiniest biggest sub and amp in the world itll say 45000 watts and will run 3.5 RMS... cheap is expensive and expenisve is good
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