Went to get an alignment today.. They told me that I need 3 camber kits in order to get an alignment. see pics below.

Here is the problem, they said it will cost me $550 labor + parts to get it fix and aligned.





The car is way too low.. so I am getting Omni Power coilover kit (street edition) just wondering if I set it to Type R stock height, will I still need a camber kit? About how much is it to install? Cause I want to have an idea..

I estimated it probably cost me $1000 to get it installed... Might as well do that. that way i don't need a second car...

Please give me your opinions. thanks. all.

from the pic above, is My R Drive-able if I don't get it fixed asap?


Modified by integraguy2001 at 5:10 PM 10/2/2004

 

If the height is going to be the same you won't need a camber kit. Even if it's a little lower you'll be fine, but get an alignment.

 

The camber isnt your problem, the toe is.

 

Camber isn't such a bad thing, ya know. As long as caster and tow are in spec, then a little too much camber won't hurt anything.

Raise the car a touch and camber will return closer to normal. Sounds like the place that looked at your car is trying to make some coin off of you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camber isn't such a bad thing, ya know. As long as caster and tow are in spec, then a little too much camber won't hurt anything.

Raise the car a touch and camber will return closer to normal. Sounds like the place that looked at your car is trying to make some coin off of you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

They freaking charged me anyways for the alignment I didn't get..I am pissed off.

I can't raise the car, since it's on lowered springs.. they are cut..

that is why i need to get omni power coilover.

So u guys think the coilover is worth my money? Right now it hits every bump i go on. thanks for the help.

 

At least buy some quality springs (H&R, Neuspeed) or a Ground Control/Koni setup and get off the cut springs. You don't need to spend $1K + on a coilover setup if you are just driving around on the street.

Cutting springs to lower is bad in so, so many ways.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At least buy some quality springs (H&R, Neuspeed) or a Ground Control/Koni setup and get off the cut springs. You don't need to spend $1K + on a coilover setup if you are just driving around on the street.

Cutting springs to lower is bad in so, so many ways.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bought the car like that.

Well, I need the suspension to be adjustable. hate to go throught 20 autoshop to find a place that has lift for my car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integraguy2001 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, I need the suspension to be adjustable. .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Why?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would like to drop it in the summer, raise it up in the winter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integraguy2001 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would like to drop it in the summer, raise it up in the winter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Fair 'nuff.

But you dont need a camber kit for less than 2.5-3 deg of camber. The omnipower kit seems to be a good buy @ $650.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Fair 'nuff.

But you dont need a camber kit for less than 2.5-3 deg of camber. The omnipower kit seems to be a good buy @ $650.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thx.

what is the stck R height? What should i tell the shop guy to adjust my height?

 

tell them what height you want relative to the ground.

 

The Omni Power seems to be a good choice for the money to meet your need (street driving, height adjustable).

Your ride height does not need to be same as a stock R. Just set it at a height that you think looks good and acceptable for street driving BEFORE you set the alignment. Ride height would change/screw up alignment so every time you change the height, have the alignment checked out. Good luck.

 

Listen to these guys. Fix the sus and get alignment.

Your toe is likely way off, which affects the camber, and wears tires. Unless you are severely lowered, you don't need a camber kit.

Best to align once you get the suspension and ride height where you want it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your toe is likely way off, which affects the camber, and wears tires.
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Other way around

Lots of toe wears tires, not camber; and camber affects toe.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integraguy2001 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


The car is way too low.. so I am getting Omni Power coilover kit (street edition) just wondering if I set it to Type R stock height, will I still need a camber kit? </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a pretty weird alignment. Must feel a little strange to drive.

The camber on the front I'm not worried about...it's not so bad, <u>provided</u> you can get the toe adjusted...and you appear to be saying that they cannot.

The toe out in the rear, combined with that weird toe in the front...I dunno...I'm just glad it's you driving the car and not me. LOL....

Also very strange you have that much camber on the right rear, and nothing on the left. I wonder how much camber's on the left rear with you in the car, but I'm sure whatever you weigh it doesn't add two degrees.

As a couple of others have said, for a one-stop solution to your problems, you're probably going to spend less money with the Omnipower coilovers than anything else you could do. He's been selling them to DC2 owners for a while, now, and I haven't heard the first complaint.

Very strange suspension you've got there.

 

actually camber wears tires very nicely too

if your camber is like this... / \ instead if like... | | that, then you will wear the middle inside edges of your tires down pretty fast.

i did it in my GSR.....whoops

2.5 inch drop, no camber kit

 

forgot to mention

i am riding on about a 1.5 inch drop in the R right now...and camber is fine, no wear problems at all, im on H&R springs, bilstein shocks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually camber wears tires very nicely too

i did it in my GSR.....whoops</TD></TR></TABLE>

What did the rest of your alignment look like.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually camber wears tires very nicely too

if your camber is like this... / \ instead if like... | | that, then you will wear the middle inside edges of your tires down pretty fast.

i did it in my GSR.....whoops

2.5 inch drop, no camber kit</TD></TR></TABLE>

It is <u>usually</u> incorrect toe that wears tyres.

There are a lot of ITR track aficionados with camber in the 2.0-2.5 range, and they don't wear their tyres abnormally. They will have toe setting from zero to slightly toe out.

I think that you're going to have to get up around negative 4 degrees camber on the front of an ITR before you see wear that's related to camber and not an incorrect toe setting.

RJ is thinking that you felt that camber was wearing your tyres because it was what you could <u>see</u> that was different. I'm going to bet, as he evidently is, that your toe was pretty far out and you didn't necesarily know.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's a pretty weird alignment. Must feel a little strange to drive.

The camber on the front I'm not worried about...it's not so bad, <u>provided</u> you can get the toe adjusted...and you appear to be saying that they cannot.

The toe out in the rear, combined with that weird toe in the front...I dunno...I'm just glad it's you driving the car and not me. LOL....

Also very strange you have that much camber on the right rear, and nothing on the left. I wonder how much camber's on the left rear with you in the car, but I'm sure whatever you weigh it doesn't add two degrees.

As a couple of others have said, for a one-stop solution to your problems, you're probably going to spend less money with the Omnipower coilovers than anything else you could do. He's been selling them to DC2 owners for a while, now, and I haven't heard the first complaint.

Very strange suspension you've got there. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I was told that they can't align my car unless i get those 3 camber kits.. maybe they weren't honest.

but anywho... thanks all for helping.

Yes, the car drive un-smooth now. I guess i haven't feel the real handling of type R yet.

I can't wait my omnipower to arrived and get them installed and aligned.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integraguy2001 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't wait my omnipower to arrived and get them installed and aligned.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Let us know how it goes, and read the instructions carefully (preload adjustment).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Let us know how it goes, and read the instructions carefully (preload adjustment).</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think my preloading may be off a bit... maybe over loaded.

check that closely and read the directions..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Omni Power seems to be a good choice for the money to meet your need (street driving, height adjustable).

Your ride height does not need to be same as a stock R. Just set it at a height that you think looks good and acceptable for street driving BEFORE you set the alignment. Ride height would change/screw up alignment so every time you change the height, have the alignment checked out. Good luck.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I forgot to mention, you DON'T need any kind of camber kit. Any DC2 that is reasonably lowered (not slammed) should not have any abnormal tire wear due to camber. You only need a camber kit when you want *more camber* for track applications (i.e. -3.5, -4.0).

Also remember, tire rolls on camber but scrubs on toe. So incorrect toe setting is what chew up the tires. Toe settings are adjustable in any stock DC2, you don't need to buy any kit to do that. If the shop tells you otherwise, they are lying.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are a lot of ITR track aficionados with camber in the 2.0-2.5 range, and they don't wear their tyres abnormally. They will have toe setting from zero to slightly toe out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think I have something close to 1/8" per side of toe out. My tires wear fine