My ITR just developed this issue last night after not having any tranny issues for 4 years... mind you, I hardly drive the thing.

First gear is very tuff to engage... sometimes its goes in no issues... sometimes... it just wont engage, it feels as if a piece of metal or a bar is preventing it from engaging.... even though, the clutch pedal is down to the floor board...

Any thoughts? I have posted in the Tech forum, however, no response as of yet.... I was told from a few people in the know, that its a clutch / PP issue and I will need to replace them.... The issue is, the PP, Flywheel and Clutch are brand new - installed them last summer - July.... (Act Ext PP, TODA Flywheel, JDM FD and Kusk-Loc Clutch).... People who know my driving style will tell you, it cannot be due to abuse, since basically, I am a poser.

 

Sounds like a clutch problem to me.

When you shut the car off, does it go into gear? I bet the answer is yes... and the springs have popped out of the disc.

 

Car should be stopped completely for 1st gear, or you'll have to double clutch.

Try put it in neutral and release clutch pedal. Then press clutch and try 1st gear again.

 

Wow Dany I dont think i ever seen you redline your ARRR

my guess would be installer error go back and to the shop and talk to them about it

 

A new clutch and pressure plate doesn't automatically warrant that it is free from defect from the manufacturer. It sounds like the little tabs on the end of the pressure plate has snapped and one side of the pressure plate is causing it to press against the clutch and flywheel, thus it's hard to put in any gear.

 

When the car is not running it still will not engage into gear.... it does engage into 1st at times, however, I would say out of 10 attempts, 2 will engage 8 will not.... all other gears are fine....

I dont think its a clutch spring that has broken since I am using a kush loc clutch which does not use springs.....


What are peoples thoughts of the Excedy Organic Clutch kit... should I consider something different... I just want something with better pedal feel and bite then the stock ITR clutch.... However above all I want a quality piece and something that will last longer then one fricken season.. like this current setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like a clutch problem to me.

When you shut the car off, does it go into gear? I bet the answer is yes... and the springs have popped out of the disc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

odd, i can put the car in any gear with the car off.

 

Check the easy stuff. Do you have fluid inside the clutch reservoir? Check for leaks in the hydraulic system, clutch master cylinder is a common source of leaks.

 

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odd, i can put the car in any gear with the car off. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That means joo need a new clutch.

No, silly! If you can't get in gear with it running, but you can get it in fine when it's off, that might mean your clutch isn't totally disengaging because of pressure plate/clutch springs/gerbils in tranny.

 

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Can you get into 2nd from a standstill OK?

Have you tried double-clutching to get into first?

Any other symptoms at all?

I would IM petrv, he had a pretty entertaining ordeal of scrubbing thru the tranny looking for a noise https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=956991 At some point he becomes an expert.

 

I have the same problem, when my car is off i can put it into any gear i want, but when i'm driving i can't pop it into first gear unless i start from 0-5km/hr.

When i'm going like 20-30km/hr it won't let me shift into first, and i feel something blocking it. But when i come to a stop it slides in right about when the car is about to stop.

I'm guessing i'm gonna new to buy a new clutch

 

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i seriously hope this is a joke. why in god's name would you every try to downshift to 1st gear at those speeds?

 

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i seriously hope this is a joke. why in god's name would you every try to downshift to 1st gear at those speeds?</TD></TR></TABLE>

mad 1st gear autox VTAK!!!! I've done it... for better or worse.

edit, your tranny doesn't want you to do that. not as many synchros on 1st or something.

 

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mad 1st gear autox VTAK!!!! I've done it... </TD></TR></TABLE>

yup, and then have to shift back to 2nd in 1.3 seconds. huhuhu


i've done it at autox as well and it's never been faster but then again i'm a chitty autoxer. huhuhu

 

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Checked the clutch reservoir, its fine, in fact the clutch fluid has been replaced every year religiously (Endless Fluid). The tranny was flushed ever year (Honda MTF).... As mentioned last year, the tranny was cracked open to install a TODA flywheel, ACT Extreme PP, Kush-Loc Clutch and JDM Final Drive, at that time the pilot and throw out bearings were both replaced. (Honda OE parts used)

Anyhow, something is definitely wrong with the tranny, it will be opened up once more this week in order to diagnose the problem. I just hope my TODA flywheel and the tranny gearing is not damaged...

As mentioned, the car engages every other gear fine - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and reverse... Its just 1st that is the problem.

 

Question: It it hard to engage first when you're at a stop or while you're rolling.

At a stop does it help if you select second gear then first? i.e. line up the gears.

If rolling does it shift better if you double clutch?

 

just installed the exedy organic clutch and flywheel last week. its a lot stiffer than stock, contrary to what a lot of people have told me. it's a good upgrade, but a pita in stop and go traffic

 

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Well that is one option for me, however, see the e-mail below that I recieved from a Honda-Tech guru.....

Robert Martin [rocketmartin@yahoo.com]

What's a Kush lock?

I would go with an Action 1MD or 1KS for you.

For some reason your clutch seems not to be fully releasing in 1st gear or your first gear synchro is acting up.

"Danny A. Greco" &lt;DGreco@nfinitytech.com&gt; wrote:
I was reviewing your Honda-Tech post - "Clutches 101", anyhow, I have recently ran into a tranny issue with my 2000 Type R. Basically, I have problems engaging the vehicle into 1st gear, feels almost as if a piece of metal is blocking the shifter. All other gears are fine 2,3,4,5 and reverse, however as mentioned 1st has issues, out of 10 shifts 2 might engage fine 8 will not. I have been told from a few people with tranny experience that the pressure plate and / or the clutch are having problems and will need to be replaced.

I should mention, that last year July I had the following components installed - JDM Final Drive, Kuch-Loc Clutch, ACT Extreme Pressure Plate, TODA Flywheel and of course, replacement pilot and throw-out bearings. This setup at first was fine, however, I have run into the above issue 3 days ago.

My question to you is what clutch kit should I choose. I am a modest driver, I don't track the car and would like something that will last beyond one season, bite a tad harder then stock and stiffer pedal.

Can you recommend a clutch kit and if so do you sell them? If you do sell the unit, how much and will you ship to Toronto?

Regards,

 

1MD has a softer clutch pedal than stock (my observation).

I wouldn't get it again, the clutch acts "unsprung", seems to jerk the car a lot back and forth when engaging it. Sort of chattery if you try to let the clutch out when the flywheel/clutch are going about the same speed, especially at stop-and-go speeds. Also it doesn't handle my torque (oops, my fault for getting 1MD instead of 2MD).

On the track (HPDE and one drag) it was fine, but I could get it to slip in a WOT 4th-5th gear shift if I wasn't careful about letting the RPM's drop first. 220 ft-lb torque will do that I guess.

I've had it for 3000 miles, 3 drag runs, and 3 days of HPDE.

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Well that is one option for me, however, see the e-mail below that I recieved from a Honda-Tech guru.....

Robert Martin [rocketmartin@yahoo.com]

What's a Kush lock?

I would go with an Action 1MD or 1KS for you.

For some reason your clutch seems not to be fully releasing in 1st gear or your first gear synchro is acting up.

"Danny A. Greco" &lt;DGreco@nfinitytech.com&gt; wrote:
I was reviewing your Honda-Tech post - "Clutches 101", anyhow, I have recently ran into a tranny issue with my 2000 Type R. Basically, I have problems engaging the vehicle into 1st gear, feels almost as if a piece of metal is blocking the shifter. All other gears are fine 2,3,4,5 and reverse, however as mentioned 1st has issues, out of 10 shifts 2 might engage fine 8 will not. I have been told from a few people with tranny experience that the pressure plate and / or the clutch are having problems and will need to be replaced.

I should mention, that last year July I had the following components installed - JDM Final Drive, Kuch-Loc Clutch, ACT Extreme Pressure Plate, TODA Flywheel and of course, replacement pilot and throw-out bearings. This setup at first was fine, however, I have run into the above issue 3 days ago.

My question to you is what clutch kit should I choose. I am a modest driver, I don't track the car and would like something that will last beyond one season, bite a tad harder then stock and stiffer pedal.

Can you recommend a clutch kit and if so do you sell them? If you do sell the unit, how much and will you ship to Toronto?

Regards,
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