B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger
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B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger
Me and some friends went to a performance shop in Phx, AZ called Versus, and i saw this Integra Type R with a Jackson Racing Supercharger. I was just wondering if you guys think supercharging a ITR is just as Bad as Turbocharging an ITR, or do you like superchargers on ITRs.
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i quite honestly have always felt that supercharging a 4 cylinder is about as useless as **** on a guy....but ive seen a couple that are quick. ive always favored turbo....for road courses, if you can get a roots style blower that will WORK, it should have a decent powerband.....most of the road course fans i know prefer all motor over supercharging though...
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (EGB18)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGB18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was just wondering if you guys think supercharging a ITR is just as Bad as Turbocharging an ITR, or do you like superchargers on ITRs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i would say it's all about tuning. if anyone slaps on a turbo or sc on any car without tuning, it'll eventually die. anyway, i've heard of many tuning issues with a sc.
i would say it's all about tuning. if anyone slaps on a turbo or sc on any car without tuning, it'll eventually die. anyway, i've heard of many tuning issues with a sc.
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (EGB18)
There are a couple peeps on here who have made decent #'s with a S/C but a turbo is more expandable. Both of which will wreck havoc on an untuned motor. I prefer all-motor.
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (white rocket)
Yeah. The only people I've talked to re: JSRC on ITR is that it leaves them wanting more, and that they go through a lot of belts.
My setup has survived 3 HPDE track days of serious abuse. It's a turbo. Look in sig for dyno link.
Wait a minute, why did I just ask this noobie-fodder question!
STFU n00b and search!
There, I feel better.
My setup has survived 3 HPDE track days of serious abuse. It's a turbo. Look in sig for dyno link.
Wait a minute, why did I just ask this noobie-fodder question!
STFU n00b and search!
There, I feel better.
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (ccfries)
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STFU n00b and search!
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Noob calling other noob, noob
Things that make ya wonder
STFU n00b and search!
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (EGB18)
its all about how you tune your engine, i would go with a supercharger over a turbo but thats just me, and im NOT saying it will put out more then a turbo but with less **** on your engine it is easier to tune then a turbop and alot more reliable, but that just my thoughts 
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (ccfries)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ccfries »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah. The only people I've talked to re: JSRC on ITR is that it leaves them wanting more, and that they go through a lot of belts.
My setup has survived 3 HPDE track days of serious abuse. It's a turbo. Look in sig for dyno link.
Wait a minute, why did I just ask this noobie-fodder question!
STFU n00b and search!
There, I feel better.
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You moron, i asked what you guys think/opinion on this subject, not for your opinion on what everyone else has got to say. I know enough to take care of myself, why don't you search for the meaning to shut the **** up!
My setup has survived 3 HPDE track days of serious abuse. It's a turbo. Look in sig for dyno link.
Wait a minute, why did I just ask this noobie-fodder question!
STFU n00b and search!
There, I feel better.
</TD></TR></TABLE>You moron, i asked what you guys think/opinion on this subject, not for your opinion on what everyone else has got to say. I know enough to take care of myself, why don't you search for the meaning to shut the **** up!
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (EGB18)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGB18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Me and some friends went to a performance shop in Phx, AZ called Versus, and i saw this Integra Type R with a Jackson Racing Supercharger. I was just wondering if you guys think supercharging a ITR is just as Bad as Turbocharging an ITR, or do you like superchargers on ITRs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
In answer to your question, yes.
In answer to your question, yes.
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (Bbasso)
Originally Posted by Bbasso
Noob calling other noob, noobThings that make ya wonder
Here's some non-HT info for you:
Originally Posted by Mark Jahnke
Welcome back bro!
Don't do the blower. I wasn't happy with mine. Not enough bang for the buck!
-mJ
I had all the Mugen bolt ons with my supercharger, AEM intake, a custom ECU, and the 8psi pulley(I think, I can't remember it's been so long), and we got to 240 at the wheels. I don't know if he's on the list anymore or not, but talk to Ponze. He probably still has my dyno charts.
Don't do the blower. I wasn't happy with mine. Not enough bang for the buck!
-mJ
I had all the Mugen bolt ons with my supercharger, AEM intake, a custom ECU, and the 8psi pulley(I think, I can't remember it's been so long), and we got to 240 at the wheels. I don't know if he's on the list anymore or not, but talk to Ponze. He probably still has my dyno charts.
Originally Posted by Mike Mannina
I'd probably stay away from the supercharger,
especillay if you want to road race/autocross. The
power is there, but it takes away the engine's
flexibility to some degree and mutes the cool VTEC
rush. FWIW, 220 at the wheels is the more realistic
number. You can check out Rich's old dyno plot here:
http://www.donkeymotorsports.com/dyno.htm
If I recall, that was with the 2.0L bottom end also.
And what's with the Subaru dig, don't make me start
with my stories of walking away from Evo's at the
track. ;-)
Mike
especillay if you want to road race/autocross. The
power is there, but it takes away the engine's
flexibility to some degree and mutes the cool VTEC
rush. FWIW, 220 at the wheels is the more realistic
number. You can check out Rich's old dyno plot here:
http://www.donkeymotorsports.com/dyno.htm
If I recall, that was with the 2.0L bottom end also.
And what's with the Subaru dig, don't make me start
with my stories of walking away from Evo's at the
track. ;-)
Mike
Originally Posted by Rich Morgan
Hi All...
Yes, that was the 2.0L B20 block but it wasn't exactly a "tuned" setup. I had purposely lowered the compression to 9.xx in hopes of having the Jackson blower honed out by Endyn to make some crazy power, but other problems arose before I could have it done. The ECU that was in the car was also not "tuned".. it was the same ECU I used for my higher compression, N/A motor so it caused the supercharged motor to run on the lean side.
As Mike can attest to, a 220-230whp N/A daily-driver is very possible and still retain the Type-R-ness through the powerband. I wish I would've kept my R.. but it wasn't too feasible at the time. Why not keep the R and buy a WRX as the daily-driver and give it a mild tune to bring it up to the STI range..?
Yes, that was the 2.0L B20 block but it wasn't exactly a "tuned" setup. I had purposely lowered the compression to 9.xx in hopes of having the Jackson blower honed out by Endyn to make some crazy power, but other problems arose before I could have it done. The ECU that was in the car was also not "tuned".. it was the same ECU I used for my higher compression, N/A motor so it caused the supercharged motor to run on the lean side.
As Mike can attest to, a 220-230whp N/A daily-driver is very possible and still retain the Type-R-ness through the powerband. I wish I would've kept my R.. but it wasn't too feasible at the time. Why not keep the R and buy a WRX as the daily-driver and give it a mild tune to bring it up to the STI range..?
Originally Posted by Clayton@KingMotorsports
Hi Chris - the JRSC isn't a bad route. We did Hondata on a 5psi set-up and made 196hp at the wheels. Properly tuned the high boost kit can make 220 at the wheel pretty easily. I know Hondata boasts a car that has 250 at the wheel, but that seems a little high to me - could be the dyno and
correction factors. If you go this route this is what I would recommend:
1)JRSC Kit - I've got a used with less than 3000miles here at the shop
for $2000
2)RC 550cc injectors - $381 (440cc's are a little small)
3)Injector Clips - $38
4)High Boost Kit - $549??? You really only need the pulley, belt, fuel
pump,
and colder plugs.
5)Hondata ECU - $425
6)Hondata S200 w/ boost - $495
7)Install and tune - $1,200
I don't carry a good header for this application, but maybe you could
source a Kamakazie with 2.5" collector. That would be around $300.
In total you would probably be looking at roughly $5,500 at the end of
the day.
Let me know.
Clayton
King Motorsports Unlimited
Mugen Authorized Distributor - North America
Originally Posted by Victor Erbring
hey y'all. i got 198 with my 4.5 psi JRSC R with
hondata =, 440 injectors, header, exhaust and some
tuning. i think i need to get rid of the MSD i have
as i ahd some spark issues. but it was easy tuning
and straight foorward stuff. car drives like a dream
and i took it to Gingerman last eyar and ran a half
day in the heat without any problems. i installed the
blower and everything myself. went in after work over
the course of a week. pretty easy as well. clayton
is a GREAT guy and a real pleasure to deal with. you
can't go wrong. and a JRSC R is a
BBBBLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hondata =, 440 injectors, header, exhaust and some
tuning. i think i need to get rid of the MSD i have
as i ahd some spark issues. but it was easy tuning
and straight foorward stuff. car drives like a dream
and i took it to Gingerman last eyar and ran a half
day in the heat without any problems. i installed the
blower and everything myself. went in after work over
the course of a week. pretty easy as well. clayton
is a GREAT guy and a real pleasure to deal with. you
can't go wrong. and a JRSC R is a
BBBBLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (EGB18)
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You moron, i asked what you guys think/opinion on this subject, not for your opinion on what everyone else has got to say. I know enough to take care of myself, why don't you search for the meaning to shut the **** up!</TD></TR></TABLE>
What's the difference between what's already been said, and what's going to be said?
-Chris
You moron, i asked what you guys think/opinion on this subject, not for your opinion on what everyone else has got to say. I know enough to take care of myself, why don't you search for the meaning to shut the **** up!</TD></TR></TABLE>
What's the difference between what's already been said, and what's going to be said?
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger
I really disagree with a lot of people on here. I am about to supercharge my ITR in a couple days, and it is incorrect to say that its more expensive to get a roots blower than it is to get a turbo kit. Total i have spent less than 2500 dollars on the blower, injectors, hondata, fuel pump, fuel rail and fpr, and all the belts and everything else I needed to install the kit. I believe that my buddies turbo kit was just as much if not much more. As far as whether its worth it or not, the first time you drive a supercharged R you will never again regret doing it. I have driven one several times and prefer the feel over a turbo R any day. When i get mine tuned at the end of the week (hopefully), I will post a dyno sheet here to hopefully boost your confidence in them. As stated before, its really all about the tuning. Never run a car untuned for an extended period of time... it only spells disaster. There are also a lot of people on this board that are putting out much more than 250 hp to tha wheels. The only problem with running high boost on a roots blower for our cars is that heatsoak will set in quite fast. Many people that are running over 8-9psi on a blower are also running some kind of intercooler/watercooler setup also. This is where it starts to get expensive. There are many members on this board who are running such setups and hopefully they will speak up and share their experience with the supercharger on their b18c5's. Anyways, whatever you decide, good luck with it. Don't let everyone make your decision for you. I didn't. 
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (ITR0950)
ITR0950:
Post your results, I'd be interested in seeing them. I'm about rapping up the turbo install on my ITR and will also have the results some time at the end of the week. I'll post mine on this thread also, so people can see when the power hits on a blower and turbo. This should be pretty educational.
Post your results, I'd be interested in seeing them. I'm about rapping up the turbo install on my ITR and will also have the results some time at the end of the week. I'll post mine on this thread also, so people can see when the power hits on a blower and turbo. This should be pretty educational.
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (Haleiwa-Brando)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ITR0950:
Post your results, I'd be interested in seeing them. I'm about rapping up the turbo install on my ITR and will also have the results some time at the end of the week. I'll post mine on this thread also, so people can see when the power hits on a blower and turbo. This should be pretty educational. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow dood........you sure haven't waisted any time spending money on your R
Post your results, I'd be interested in seeing them. I'm about rapping up the turbo install on my ITR and will also have the results some time at the end of the week. I'll post mine on this thread also, so people can see when the power hits on a blower and turbo. This should be pretty educational.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Wow dood........you sure haven't waisted any time spending money on your R
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Re: B18C5 w/ JR Supercharger (ITR0950)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR0950 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really disagree with a lot of people on here. I am about to supercharge my ITR in a couple days, and it is incorrect to say that its more expensive to get a roots blower than it is to get a turbo kit. </TD></TR></TABLE>
My comments were directly regarding the JRSC (per original poster).
My comments were directly regarding the JRSC (per original poster).
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