The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
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SpeedVegas instructor was identified.
Instructor who died in SpeedVegas crash was 2-time male breast cancer survivor and advocate | Las Vegas Review-Journal
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Originally Posted by Paul Hembery
"We'll see a lot more one-stop races but if we deliver with the aerodynamic package cars that are closer together, and the tyre's not overheating on the surface, drivers will be able to push and lead to a scenario where overtaking is improved."
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SpeedVegas instructor was identified.
Instructor who died in SpeedVegas crash was 2-time male breast cancer survivor and advocate Las Vegas Review-Journal
Instructor who died in SpeedVegas crash was 2-time male breast cancer survivor and advocate Las Vegas Review-Journal
x2. I don't see how this aero package brings the cars closer together. All I really want is to see some genuine overtakes and a bit of argy bargy.
I don't have high hopes.
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1997: F1's last great leap forward and an explosive title battle - F1 Fanatic
Remembering F1’s last great leap forward and an explosive title battle
1997 F1 seasonPosted on 13th February 2017, 12:2614th February 2017, 8:18Author Keith Collantine
Formula One’s grand plan to slash lap times by five seconds will be put to the test when the 2017 cars hit the track in a few weeks.
Major revisions to the aerodynamics and tyres have been signed off in order for F1 to achieve this target. But 20 years ago teams found a similar leap forward in performance without such dramatic changes being necessary.
The 1997 season saw lap times plummet across the board by multiple seconds. It was also the year of the tense championship showdown between Jacques Villeneuve and Michael Schumacher, and the most recent championship successes for the Williams team.
This memorable F1 season will be featured in a series of articles throughout the coming year on F1 Fanatic.
That all changed when Japanese rivals Bridgestone announced their intention to enter F1 in 1997. After lengthy tests throughout 1996 they were well-prepared for their arrival, and testing showed their wet weather technology in particular had raised the bar.
But Goodyear responded and a new tyre war began. Compounds became ever softer and throughout testing it was clear the new cars were going to be vastly quicker.
At the Circuit de Catalunya the pole position time fell by a massive four seconds compared to the previous season. Formula One hasnt seen anything like it since:Alarmed by the increase in speeds, the FIA swiftly introduced regulations cutting the car widths from 2,000mm to 1,800mm for 1998 in order to make wing sizes smaller. That change is now being reversed for 2017.
Renault, the manufacturer whose engines had powered Williams to their victories, were poised to withdraw at the end of the year. Williams’ days as a manufacturer engine partner were numbered.
For now at least they had one year left of full works support. And in Adrian Newey’s FW19 the engine had a chassis worthy of its potential. But as the year began the man behind the car was no longer showing up to work at the factory.
Newey had grown unhappy with his lack of authority over some areas of the team, including driver choices. He had been particularly unhappy with the the decision to eject Damon Hill at the end of what turned out to be his championship-winning 1996 campaign. Newey’s contract ran until 1999, but he and the team were heading for divorce.
The decision to drop Hill, who had taken eight of the team’s dozen victories the season before, meant for the fifth year running Williams began the season with a change in the line-up. Villeneuve had impressed in his rookie campaign and stayed within reach of Hill until the final round. He was joined by Heinz-Harald Frentzen, whom many believed had the potential to rival Schumacher as Germany’s top driver.
The team also faced a serious and potentially disruptive distraction from the business of racing. On February 20th a court in Imola convened to try six people on accusations of causing the death of Ayrton Senna in his crash during the San Marino Grand Prix three years earlier. Williams, Head and Newey were among those on trial.
Of the four races Williams failed to win that year Schumacher won three. Heading into 1997 the arrival of Ross Brawn at Maranello alongside Schumacher and designer Rory Byrne gave the impression the team was turning into a ‘red Benetton’ with the title-winning potential to match.
With Marlboro’s money gone to pay Schumacher’s retainer, McLaren appeared in silver West colours for the first time, though not before the MP4-12 made its test debut in striking McLaren papaya orange. They and Mercedes went into their third year together still looking for their first joint victory.
Benetton had gone from champions with Schumacher in 1995 to non-winners the following season with Gerhard Berger and Jean Alesi at the wheel. However the Renault-powered B197 had posted competitive lap times in testing.
While these front-runners remained with Goodyear, the other race-winners of 1996 had gambled on a switch to Bridgestone. Ligier had also been bought and rebranded by four-times world champion Alain Prost during the off-season. Olivier Panis, the shock winner of a chaotic 1996 Monaco Grand Prix, remained their lead driver.
For the second time since Jordan’s debut season six years earlier a Schumacher was at the wheel of one of their cars. The expectation was that Ralf, the reigning Formula Nippon champion, would at least do more than just one race. Eddie Jordan had opted for a largely untried line-up by pairing him with Giancarlo Fisichella, who arrived from Minardi with just a handful of starts under his belt.
That left Martin Brundle reluctantly confined to a role in the commentary box alongside Murray Walker. For British television viewers, F1’s move from the BBC to ITV meant one more innovation for 1997, and not a welcome one: in-race advert breaks.
Joining them on the grid for the first time – in theory at least – was a new entry from Lola. But while Stewart attracted factory backing from Ford, Lola had to make do with dated customer units based on the models which had taken Schumacher to his first championship three years ago.
As far as the powers-that-be were concerned, both new entries were afforded the standard F1 welcome. Which is to say, neither were entitled to a share of the prize money or travel concessions afforded to their rival teams.
The Lola project proved short-lived but through a few changes of hands Stewart ultimately became one of today’s powerhouse teams. That lay well in the future as the teams headed to Melbourne for the first race of 1997.
The 1997 Formula One season retrospective will continue on March 9th. Until then why not review our 1994 F1 season retrospective.
Major revisions to the aerodynamics and tyres have been signed off in order for F1 to achieve this target. But 20 years ago teams found a similar leap forward in performance without such dramatic changes being necessary.
The 1997 season saw lap times plummet across the board by multiple seconds. It was also the year of the tense championship showdown between Jacques Villeneuve and Michael Schumacher, and the most recent championship successes for the Williams team.
This memorable F1 season will be featured in a series of articles throughout the coming year on F1 Fanatic.
Tyre war slashes lap times
Bridgestone conducted an extensive testing programmeGoodyear had Formula One to themselves between 1992 and 1996. With no rival manufacturer on the scene, the American giant had no incentive to push F1 tyre manufacturer to the limit.That all changed when Japanese rivals Bridgestone announced their intention to enter F1 in 1997. After lengthy tests throughout 1996 they were well-prepared for their arrival, and testing showed their wet weather technology in particular had raised the bar.
But Goodyear responded and a new tyre war began. Compounds became ever softer and throughout testing it was clear the new cars were going to be vastly quicker.
At the Circuit de Catalunya the pole position time fell by a massive four seconds compared to the previous season. Formula One hasnt seen anything like it since:
Lap times at the Circuit de Catalunya 1995-20161995199619971998199920002001200220032004200520 06200720082009201020112012201320142015201670758085 90 2004: Turn ten tightened 2007: Chicane added YearLap time (s)
Lap times at the Circuit de Catalunya 1995-2016YearLap time199581.452199680.65199776.525199880.262199982. 088200080.974200178.201200276.364200377.015200474. 836200574.28200674.637200780.597200880.584200979.9 54201079.965201180.981201281.707201380.718201485.2 32201584.681201682
Williams under pressure
Hill was shown the door after winning the 1996 titleHeading into 1997 one team was expected to lead the championship charge. But Williams, the standard-setting team of more or less the past five seasons, faced growing threats to their superiority.Renault, the manufacturer whose engines had powered Williams to their victories, were poised to withdraw at the end of the year. Williams’ days as a manufacturer engine partner were numbered.
For now at least they had one year left of full works support. And in Adrian Newey’s FW19 the engine had a chassis worthy of its potential. But as the year began the man behind the car was no longer showing up to work at the factory.
Newey had grown unhappy with his lack of authority over some areas of the team, including driver choices. He had been particularly unhappy with the the decision to eject Damon Hill at the end of what turned out to be his championship-winning 1996 campaign. Newey’s contract ran until 1999, but he and the team were heading for divorce.
The decision to drop Hill, who had taken eight of the team’s dozen victories the season before, meant for the fifth year running Williams began the season with a change in the line-up. Villeneuve had impressed in his rookie campaign and stayed within reach of Hill until the final round. He was joined by Heinz-Harald Frentzen, whom many believed had the potential to rival Schumacher as Germany’s top driver.
The team also faced a serious and potentially disruptive distraction from the business of racing. On February 20th a court in Imola convened to try six people on accusations of causing the death of Ayrton Senna in his crash during the San Marino Grand Prix three years earlier. Williams, Head and Newey were among those on trial.
Healthy rivalry
Ligier metamorphosed into ProstWilliams also knew their rivals would be stronger in 1997. “If Ferrari gets on top of its reliability problems over the winter, which it will, then Michael could disappear next season,” Frank Williams reflected in mid-1996.Of the four races Williams failed to win that year Schumacher won three. Heading into 1997 the arrival of Ross Brawn at Maranello alongside Schumacher and designer Rory Byrne gave the impression the team was turning into a ‘red Benetton’ with the title-winning potential to match.
With Marlboro’s money gone to pay Schumacher’s retainer, McLaren appeared in silver West colours for the first time, though not before the MP4-12 made its test debut in striking McLaren papaya orange. They and Mercedes went into their third year together still looking for their first joint victory.
Benetton had gone from champions with Schumacher in 1995 to non-winners the following season with Gerhard Berger and Jean Alesi at the wheel. However the Renault-powered B197 had posted competitive lap times in testing.
While these front-runners remained with Goodyear, the other race-winners of 1996 had gambled on a switch to Bridgestone. Ligier had also been bought and rebranded by four-times world champion Alain Prost during the off-season. Olivier Panis, the shock winner of a chaotic 1996 Monaco Grand Prix, remained their lead driver.
For the second time since Jordan’s debut season six years earlier a Schumacher was at the wheel of one of their cars. The expectation was that Ralf, the reigning Formula Nippon champion, would at least do more than just one race. Eddie Jordan had opted for a largely untried line-up by pairing him with Giancarlo Fisichella, who arrived from Minardi with just a handful of starts under his belt.
That left Martin Brundle reluctantly confined to a role in the commentary box alongside Murray Walker. For British television viewers, F1’s move from the BBC to ITV meant one more innovation for 1997, and not a welcome one: in-race advert breaks.
A tale of two newcomers
Stewart: The team which became Red BullProst wasn’t the only multiple champion starting afresh as a team owner. Jackie Stewart was too, and he was doing it the hard way, having formed the all-new Stewart team with his son Paul.Joining them on the grid for the first time – in theory at least – was a new entry from Lola. But while Stewart attracted factory backing from Ford, Lola had to make do with dated customer units based on the models which had taken Schumacher to his first championship three years ago.
As far as the powers-that-be were concerned, both new entries were afforded the standard F1 welcome. Which is to say, neither were entitled to a share of the prize money or travel concessions afforded to their rival teams.
The Lola project proved short-lived but through a few changes of hands Stewart ultimately became one of today’s powerhouse teams. That lay well in the future as the teams headed to Melbourne for the first race of 1997.
The 1997 Formula One season retrospective will continue on March 9th. Until then why not review our 1994 F1 season retrospective.
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Jos Verstappen with the 1996 Footwork Arrows FA17 Bridgestone test car.
1995 Ligier-Mugen JS41 Bridgestone test car. Damon hill also drove this car prior to the 1997 season.
1995 Ligier-Mugen JS41 Bridgestone test car. Damon hill also drove this car prior to the 1997 season.
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Isn't the loss of said argy bargy moar due to the overzealous stewards and their insistence on assigning blame with every incident during an overtake as opposed to the regulations? Sometimes a racing incident is just a racing incident.
At least with moar durable tyres the drivers should be able to push the cars harder and maybe mistakes will become a little more common.
At least with moar durable tyres the drivers should be able to push the cars harder and maybe mistakes will become a little more common.
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From time to time I like to teach folks ITT about the radar. This is 1 of those times.
3 radar images, each taken 5 minutes apart, from this morning.
What have I circled you may be wondering (can also see similar feature to the west of circled area). Is birds taking flight in the morning. The reasons the radar looks so cluttered is due to inversion (warm air above cold air) bouncing radar waves back to the surface. The waves hit a ground target then bounce back to the inversion and return back to the radar. Also called ground clutter (trees, cars, buildings, even trains). The returns off the coast are the same thing, just water instead of ground.
3 radar images, each taken 5 minutes apart, from this morning.
What have I circled you may be wondering (can also see similar feature to the west of circled area). Is birds taking flight in the morning. The reasons the radar looks so cluttered is due to inversion (warm air above cold air) bouncing radar waves back to the surface. The waves hit a ground target then bounce back to the inversion and return back to the radar. Also called ground clutter (trees, cars, buildings, even trains). The returns off the coast are the same thing, just water instead of ground.
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from one of my favorite shows.
that is pretty awesome, i didn't know about the inversion. is that pretty common like a daily occurrence? i mean when i look at the US mosaic https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php you see the day to night transition pretty clearly when the amount of clutter rises significantly, or is that a different phenomenon?
also was it you who talked about the sun interfering with the radar? i've seen a bunch of "beams" on the composite all pointing at the sun during sunrise.
that is pretty awesome, i didn't know about the inversion. is that pretty common like a daily occurrence? i mean when i look at the US mosaic https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php you see the day to night transition pretty clearly when the amount of clutter rises significantly, or is that a different phenomenon?
also was it you who talked about the sun interfering with the radar? i've seen a bunch of "beams" on the composite all pointing at the sun during sunrise.
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from one of my favorite shows.
that is pretty awesome, i didn't know about the inversion. is that pretty common like a daily occurrence? i mean when i look at the US mosaic https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php you see the day to night transition pretty clearly when the amount of clutter rises significantly, or is that a different phenomenon?
also was it you who talked about the sun interfering with the radar? i've seen a bunch of "beams" on the composite all pointing at the sun during sunrise.
that is pretty awesome, i didn't know about the inversion. is that pretty common like a daily occurrence? i mean when i look at the US mosaic https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php you see the day to night transition pretty clearly when the amount of clutter rises significantly, or is that a different phenomenon?
also was it you who talked about the sun interfering with the radar? i've seen a bunch of "beams" on the composite all pointing at the sun during sunrise.
Inversions are pretty common, especially nocturnal ones. If you watch the radar in the evening/morning you can usually see when inversion sets up and breaks down. As you mention it will be either a clearing of the radar screen or a rapid increase in the amount of clutter. I grabbed 3 more images from this morning, over half an hour that show the inversion changing/lifting at 15 min intervals.
Yes I have discussed the sun spikes before. The radar "sees" the energy from the sun at sunrise or sunset.
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So here's another 1. Lots of cool **** out there today. Mountain wave clouds. Short description -> Wind blowing across terrain with stable air in place
Detailed description:
Recent satellite showing whole lots of wave clouds...
Detailed description:
The atmospheric internal waves that form wave clouds are created as stable air flows over a raised land feature such as a mountain range, and can form either directly above or in the lee of the feature. As an air mass travels through the wave, it undergoes repeated uplift and descent. If there is enough moisture in the atmosphere, clouds will form at the cooled crests of these waves. In the descending part of the wave, those clouds will evaporate due to adiabatic heating, leading to the characteristic clouded and clear bands. The cloud base on the leeward side is higher than on the windward side, because precipitation on the windward side removes water from the air.
It is possible that simple convection from mountain summits can also form wave clouds. This occurs as the convection forces a wave or lenticular wave cloud into the more stable air above.
It is possible that simple convection from mountain summits can also form wave clouds. This occurs as the convection forces a wave or lenticular wave cloud into the more stable air above.
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Haas latest team to reveal 2017 F1 car launch date
The American outfit revealed on Thursday that its second F1 car - named the VF-17 - will be unveiled on Sunday February 26, one day ahead of the start of testing at the Barcelona circuit.
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What is the elevation at Point Reyes? It doesn't look all that high, but with how cold that water is the stable layer is very strong so it obviously doesn't need much terrain.
Have a look at the Sacramento radar. Radar algorithms have no idea what to do with the wind farm NE of San Fran.
Have a look at the Sacramento radar. Radar algorithms have no idea what to do with the wind farm NE of San Fran.