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Old Nov 3, 2017 | 08:54 PM
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Hi everyone,

I have several questions about improving my night time lighting. I have a 1995 civic VX and live out where there are no streetlights but lot's of deer. I looked into the whole HID Xenon upgrade in the old reflector housing but came to the conclusion that it would not work and would be inconsiderate and a hazard to oncoming drivers. So are the replacement projector housings with HID xenon bulbs any good and worth the expense? If they are, what brands would you get, and does it spread the light out enough for me to see deer on the side of the two lane highway?

Second question has to do with fog\driving lights. Reflector, projector, HID, halogen, yellow, clear? Good cost quality brands?

This is more of a safety issue and I'm not concerned with how it looks. Would like to get more light out in front of my car when driving in rainy rural Oregon.

Thanks so much, John
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Old Nov 3, 2017 | 10:39 PM
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theretrofitsource.com can help you out, you can even email them and have them tailor a kit to your needs.

Buy some aftermarket clear lens housings, open them up, put in an actual bi-xenon HID projector (you'll still retain your highbeams) and enjoy the increased light output without blinding people.
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Old Nov 3, 2017 | 10:45 PM
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As far as fog lights, as long as your beam is low and wide (how foglights are supposed to be, to illuminate the lane markers, roadway, shoulder, etc) whatever works, works. I put aftermarket OEM foglights into my CRV. It works. I'd like to eventually go to an LED projector foglight, but costs outweigh the benefits, and they aren't really a priority as of right now.

White light versus yellow light is a never ending debate, you'd have to try each out and see which one you like better.

Projectors would allow you to aim the light better, and would keep the light cutoff from hitting the fog and reflecting back at you.

Start researching Hella lights, retrofitsource has some fog lights, start with googling 'aftermarket foglights with best light output' and see what comes up.
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Old Nov 14, 2017 | 01:43 PM
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Now that the days are getting shorter, I am once again wishing I had more light output in my little EG.

theretrofitsource.com offeres these direct fit LEDs for $140: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/led-bulbs/head-fog-light-bulbs/h4-profile-peak-led-headlight-bulbs.html?carDisplay=1994+Honda+Civic+Coupe&prese lect=&preselect_restrict=1

TomCat I think got these LEDs for $90, they look a little bulky:
https://www.amazon.com/OPT7-Fluxbeam-Headlight-Clear-Arc-Beam/dp/B00VNBEJ1G/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Honda%7C59&Model=Civic%7C752&Year=1994%7C1994&ie=UTF8&n=15684181&newVehicle=1&s=automotive&vehicleId=1&vehicleType=automotive https://www.amazon.com/OPT7-Fluxbeam-Headlight-Clear-Arc-Beam/dp/B00VNBEJ1G/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Honda%7C59&Model=Civic%7C752&Year=1994%7C1994&ie=UTF8&n=15684181&newVehicle=1&s=automotive&vehicleId=1&vehicleType=automotive


Has anyone tried these: Nokya H4 100/90W Cosmic White
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Old Nov 14, 2017 | 09:04 PM
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The OPT7 bulbs are still doing well in my wife's 93 hatch. They are a bit bulky and one side was a little harder to install than the other. They fit, but just barely.

I am not a fan of the bright white in none projectors though. I aimed her head lights as best as possible but I know it's still probably challenging to other drivers.

I am more fond of Yellow. I like the idea of your Nokya H4 Hyper Yellow lights. Not only friendlier on other drivers eyes but from what I've read, the yellow is better in Fog and Snow. I believe this is why fog lights were traditionally yellow.

In my 2007, my DRL/High beams are PIAA yellow bulbs and I love them to death. The HID bulbs in the car are 5000K bright white and I am thinking about looking into Yellow HID bulbs.

I am actually not seeing a whole lot of difference in being able to see markings, signs etc between the two colors. It seems to be more dependent on the Lumen output. My high beam Yellow lights up signs just as well as the whites but everything has a yellow hue instead.

Knowing the human eye is lacking in the blue receptor department so the eye doesn't constrict the iris the same as it does for yellow light is probably the biggest factor for me regarding headlight color.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 06:50 PM
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OEM EDM LHD headlamps, then add a light bar, 100%. Install it hidden in the bumper grille. Rigid, is one such example. I've come to the conclusion that there is no acceptable nor legal way to retrofit any bulb in the stock housing. Leave your fog lights for use in the fog (lighting up the road closer to the vehicle doesn't help you spot deer that are far away). Vehicle lighting is tricky because: 1. Our eyes trick us into thinking we can see better with some setup but if this is tested objectively, we cannot. 2. A retrofit means a ton of glare for other drivers which means you're getting high beams flashed at you, or causing them to misjudge the road and drive into you or another or the ditch. There's a reason these retros are labelled "for off-road use only".
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Old Nov 22, 2017 | 05:12 AM
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I have a 22" light bar set up behind the front grill on my rav4, and it really help light up the road at niht. Especially now that deer season is in. Had it wire to high beam, only comes kn with high beam is engaged. Can turn bar on and off at will also, using a 3ways switch.
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Old Nov 22, 2017 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by deschlong
OEM EDM LHD headlamps, then add a light bar, 100%. Install it hidden in the bumper grille. Rigid, is one such example. I've come to the conclusion that there is no acceptable nor legal way to retrofit any bulb in the stock housing. Leave your fog lights for use in the fog (lighting up the road closer to the vehicle doesn't help you spot deer that are far away). Vehicle lighting is tricky because: 1. Our eyes trick us into thinking we can see better with some setup but if this is tested objectively, we cannot. 2. A retrofit means a ton of glare for other drivers which means you're getting high beams flashed at you, or causing them to misjudge the road and drive into you or another or the ditch. There's a reason these retros are labelled "for off-road use only".
EDM lights are different? Like get the whole assembly?

Thanks...
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Old Nov 22, 2017 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCat39
The OPT7 bulbs are still doing well in my wife's 93 hatch. They are a bit bulky and one side was a little harder to install than the other. They fit, but just barely.

I am not a fan of the bright white in none projectors though. I aimed her head lights as best as possible but I know it's still probably challenging to other drivers.

I am more fond of Yellow. I like the idea of your Nokya H4 Hyper Yellow lights. Not only friendlier on other drivers eyes but from what I've read, the yellow is better in Fog and Snow. I believe this is why fog lights were traditionally yellow.

In my 2007, my DRL/High beams are PIAA yellow bulbs and I love them to death. The HID bulbs in the car are 5000K bright white and I am thinking about looking into Yellow HID bulbs.

I am actually not seeing a whole lot of difference in being able to see markings, signs etc between the two colors. It seems to be more dependent on the Lumen output. My high beam Yellow lights up signs just as well as the whites but everything has a yellow hue instead.

Knowing the human eye is lacking in the blue receptor department so the eye doesn't constrict the iris the same as it does for yellow light is probably the biggest factor for me regarding headlight color.
The Nokya Hyper Yellow were 55/60W bulbs, while the others were 100W bulbs...
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Old Nov 22, 2017 | 08:52 AM
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EDM lights are different? Like get the whole assembly?

Thanks...
Yes, better engineering design. Technically not legal in USA because not DOT approved, but legal everywhere else in the world including Canada because DOT regs are archaic and dumb. Yes the whole assembly. Try eBay.de.
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Old Nov 23, 2017 | 06:56 AM
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if you don’t care how it looks, just go buy the glass silvania lights.

i bought them, and went to a junk yard, to buy the housings (i found the housings on a 57 oldsmobile)

i then welded the housings to this basket, but just weld the housings to whatever. they are so bright that i Only use them in the mountains when no one else is around. the brightness is distracting, but that may be because they are on top of the car. the lights probably cost me 40 bucks for everything
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Old Nov 23, 2017 | 10:59 AM
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Wow, there is a lot going on in this car ^^, including a whole novel written ON the windscreen. And headlamp. It's Mad Maxified.
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Old Dec 19, 2017 | 12:26 PM
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Default Re: Questions on headlights and fog\driving lights.

Originally Posted by Caoboy

Buy some aftermarket clear lens housings, open them up, put in an actual bi-xenon HID projector...
Originally Posted by deschlong

I've come to the conclusion that there is no acceptable nor legal way to retrofit any bulb in the stock housing...
Going back to this thread - does anyone have any experience with these? 92-95 Civic Complete IL4Spec:Chrome Series Denji Systems
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Old Dec 19, 2017 | 01:07 PM
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I've been through many 108-compliant headlights and they're all about the same. The blue-tinted "super white" type bulbs (Cool Blue, Silverstars, etc) suck in the rain or on fresh dark, black asphalt. I've ridden in an EG with the PIAA Super Plasma and those are even worse, especially in rain or black asphalt. I think they're probably all close in performance because they have to comply with the law.

I liked the GE Nighthawks that I had back in 2009. Clear bulb with a tighter filament wind that's slightly brighter than stock (though you'd have to have a stock bulb on one side and Nighthawk on the other to even tell). Most of the bulbs I've had last 18-24 months, though my current set in my 1994 Civic are a pair of Silverstar zXe 9003s that have been in the car since December 2013.
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