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Old Oct 29, 2017 | 06:12 PM
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perhaps with better fuel, other then that I had the exact same setup and cracked a sleeve at slightly higher HP. IMO 400+ stock sleeves should be OK but sometimes **** happens
Better fuel makes a big difference.. So is lack of block guard. Where I'm located, serious line this can easily make 500whp, and stay that way for a long time.
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Old Oct 29, 2017 | 06:19 PM
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agreed, I did not see him specify fuel type used either way its just a headsup he can take it for what its worth.

hes running a GE blockguard welded in just like I did re-read his second post
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Old Oct 29, 2017 | 06:28 PM
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agreed, I did not see him specify fuel type used either way its just a headsup he can take it for what its worth.

hes running a GE blockguard welded in just like I did re-read his second post
Acknowledged. :-)
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Old Oct 30, 2017 | 06:16 AM
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curious how you got your compression figures, Wiseco catalog shows a 9.4 piston and a 10.1:1 piston. Type R head is actually just a b16 head it does not "raise" compression it actually lowers it when compared to a GSR head.

When punching your build into calc I get CR of 9.4 before milling (assuming you used the 9.4 CR piston)

also be careful pushing it any further I cracked a sleeve on pretty much the exact same setup.
B18c1 81.5 / Type R head
Wiseco Pistons 9.4CR (older model)
Welded in GE block guard
428HP 290TQ
well I'm only goingv off what the shop told me when I bought the pistons and rods. I will not even try to act like I know anything about CR. Although I do have the box in the garage, I'll go check it out. As far as fuel, I'm on 93 Oct. I do have some questions for you guys, but gotta run.
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Old Oct 30, 2017 | 06:27 AM
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well I'm only goingv off what the shop told me when I bought the pistons and rods. I will not even try to act like I know anything about CR. Although I do have the box in the garage, I'll go check it out. As far as fuel, I'm on 93 Oct. I do have some questions for you guys, but gotta run.
Don't worry about the box, man. 2kdrift was just making sure you knew the subtle differences of making higher compression and that you were sure you knew what you had for your edification for the future, that's all.. GS-R combustion Chambers possess a slightly smaller quench area in order to create slightly higher compression for any B series block, compared to the B16 head.

Now, depending upon how much was milled and decked from the cylinder head and block it could give you a net increase in compression, but again in the whole grand scheme at this particular point, it's really not that important.

so fire at will with your follow-up questions. We just tend to like to make slight corrections for any pre-conceived beliefs that you may have along the way. Addressing items right when we see them, we find, is the most efficient way to do so. :-)

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Old Oct 30, 2017 | 03:50 PM
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Yup like Shodan said just clarification so people can understand your build better. Even if your at 9.5 like I think you are it will work just fine. I basically had the same build as you and only reason I'm re-building is cuz I cracked a sleeve it's definitely a great street build imo
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Old Nov 8, 2017 | 06:31 AM
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Don't worry about the box, man. 2kdrift was just making sure you knew the subtle differences of making higher compression and that you were sure you knew what you had for your edification for the future, that's all.. GS-R combustion Chambers possess a slightly smaller quench area in order to create slightly higher compression for any B series block, compared to the B16 head.

Now, depending upon how much was milled and decked from the cylinder head and block it could give you a net increase in compression, but again in the whole grand scheme at this particular point, it's really not that important.

so fire at will with your follow-up questions. We just tend to like to make slight corrections for any pre-conceived beliefs that you may have along the way. Addressing items right when we see them, we find, is the most efficient way to do so. :-)
ok so I have so corrections to do, pistons are Wiseco flat top 10.0.
First off the most important thing is that this thing is a blast to drive, and I have a smile from ear to ear all the time. Obviously still learning on how to drive it, as far as the best points to get on it and have a lil fun with people.
so now onto some questions I have. I also know that some of the inquiries could be put in another section but I thought I would put it here in a post that is already started and I have also taken quite a bit of advice from the people here, like Shodan, 2kdrift, and others that have started posts.
205 ECT, (I did read the post here about another having the same problem)

Here is my set up( couldn't use the s2 rad in the pic above), Koyo rad, mishimoto fan, thermostat is I believe 185/195, I set the hondata to 188. Now I do have a puller and pusher fan (front side of the ac) and yet I'm still getting higher than I want. Any suggestions? (Also I do not run the ac all the time, only when I'm just cusin and it's hot as hell outside)
Axles- I do not run from a dig but I am trying out 2nd gear just to get a feel for it and I do get worried about breaking the axle.
Braking- I have the wilwood setup up front (found out the pads that come with that setup are poop. lol) realized I need more stopping power so I just finished the gsr rear disc conversion, and now I looking for a good pad.
Traction- do the traction bars really help?
Tires- we have had this discussion before, I'm gonna try out the r888 .
any help is well appreciated. Thanks again guys, also for anyone that doesnt know, this car is just a fun dd toy car, it will probably never see the track or a drag strip.i am more into reliability and playing around on the street.

I love the clear coat peel, stock look. Haha, people have no idea.


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Old Nov 8, 2017 | 02:29 PM
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What brand are the fans? Imo they need to be SPAL, when I did my fan upgrade it made a huge difference.

Also I would set Hondata somewhere between 180-185. I think I had mine set to 185 I can double check that.

yes traction bars help alot especially if you have upgraded the suspension
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Old Nov 8, 2017 | 05:25 PM
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Nice work man 👍

How much boost did it take to make that 400whp? 93 octane right? Makes me miss mine lol. That turbo is so damn fun!
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Old Nov 8, 2017 | 07:10 PM
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Nice work man 👍

How much boost did it take to make that 400whp? 93 octane right? Makes me miss mine lol. That turbo is so damn fun!
Thanks for the props. I'm at 17lbs of boost on 93oct. I do have a blast, and I got a lot of tips from your build, so thank you for that. She's about to go into the garage for awhile but I can't sell her. Next build is my track car or a drift car.
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Old Nov 8, 2017 | 07:23 PM
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What brand are the fans? Imo they need to be SPAL, when I did my fan upgrade it made a huge difference.

Also I would set Hondata somewhere between 180-185. I think I had mine set to 185 I can double check that.

yes traction bars help alot especially if you have upgraded the suspension
fans are mishimoto, and don't know the cfm rate, but it looks like I might be selling those and trying out this SPAL fans.
ok, I'll give that a shot and lower the temps down in hondata. Im going to replace the VSS this weekend and take my car back to the tuner so he can do my boost by gear. Hopefully with that, traction bar, and a good set of tires, I hope to get some better traction. Thanks for the help.
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Old Nov 9, 2017 | 03:30 AM
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I'd recommend closing even that minor gap you have between the rad support and the radiator. Could also consider additives like DEI Rad Relief, I haven't gotten to experiment much with those yet though.

Also, something like this would help isolate the radiator from the manifold heat:


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Old Nov 9, 2017 | 05:20 AM
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awesome build was wondering if any boost plots? wondering where you make full boost and start to build boost?
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Old Nov 9, 2017 | 09:57 AM
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fans are mishimoto, and don't know the cfm rate, but it looks like I might be selling those and trying out this SPAL fans.
don' worry about CFM most companys will lie about that anyway. My eBay fans were rated pretty high but in the real world output less then half of a SPAL

I would recomend starting with a single medium profile SPAL and see how well that works and only goto a second fan if needed, the other thing you could do is using heat wrap / shields not sure if you have that already
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Old Aug 8, 2018 | 10:50 AM
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Neat build! Super slick
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Very nice build man.

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Very nice build man.I saw your ls civic build and it was nice.Im thinking going ls but keep my eyes open incase i come across a good deal on a gsr.How many miles did your gsr have when you started the build and how many have you put on it?what did you do to freshen up the block before the build.I noticed no mention of sleeving so its stock sleeve i assume and are you driving it weekends ow or track only?Excellent fab work my man.
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Old Nov 18, 2018 | 06:44 PM
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Wow, my ls vtec. That was awhile ago. I do remember that i got everything in pieces. Couldnt tell you miles but all i did b4 putting everything together is just simple cleaning. You are correct, i did not sleeve this project only because my plan originally was to be simple daily to have fun with. She is still my daily driver when im home but Then my debit card just loved swiping and charging so much that it wouldnt stop, lol. Hence where she is at now.
Im back stateside for a week and gonna take her out and open her up. She has been locked in the garage for almost a year now. Also i think im gonna take everything out of the coupe and drop into a 2000 Hatch. I found a rolling chassis, straight body from a good buddy for 800.00

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Old Oct 14, 2019 | 03:47 AM
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Well it has been awhile (almost a year) I will have a lovely 40 days home for R&R before i go back and wanted to let you guys know that you can stay tuned as i will be buying the FCS AWD kit, and installing it while i am at home. I will update with pro and cons of install. As far as the build, i did get the 2000 Hatch and swapped everything over and engine mods (in the process of doing now since my car is at the shop......leaking a lil oil into the exhaust manifold) im going to upgrade to pro1s and maybe upgrade the intake manifold. Im not going for a dyno numbers queen or anything, this is literally my Daily driver. I drive the **** out of my car.....Lmao... i will keep you guys updated. Ill be intouch Shodan
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Old Oct 14, 2019 | 08:26 AM
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Well it has been awhile (almost a year) I will have a lovely 40 days home for R&R before i go back and wanted to let you guys know that you can stay tuned as i will be buying the FCS AWD kit, and installing it while i am at home. I will update with pro and cons of install. As far as the build, i did get the 2000 Hatch and swapped everything over and engine mods (in the process of doing now since my car is at the shop......leaking a lil oil into the exhaust manifold) im going to upgrade to pro1s and maybe upgrade the intake manifold. Im not going for a dyno numbers queen or anything, this is literally my Daily driver. I drive the **** out of my car.....Lmao... i will keep you guys updated. Ill be intouch Shodan
Wow that a interesing update!
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Well it has been awhile (almost a year) I will have a lovely 40 days home for R&R before i go back and wanted to let you guys know that you can stay tuned as i will be buying the FCS AWD kit, and installing it while i am at home. I will update with pro and cons of install. As far as the build, i did get the 2000 Hatch and swapped everything over and engine mods (in the process of doing now since my car is at the shop......leaking a lil oil into the exhaust manifold) im going to upgrade to pro1s and maybe upgrade the intake manifold. Im not going for a dyno numbers queen or anything, this is literally my Daily driver. I drive the **** out of my car.....Lmao... i will keep you guys updated. Ill be intouch Shodan
That is an interesting update. Although, If I may make one suggestion as you progress. With the size turbocharger that you're using, for the purpose you're using it for, I'd actually step AWAY from the Pro1s. I'd look into something a bit more geared towards smaller turbochargers in order to maximize the potential of the turbocharger's ability to use boost pressure in conjunction with the right change to the valve timing events that a good turbocharger camshaft could deliver; and not do so by taking a big NA camshaft to attempt to do the same thing. For a more subtle approach apart from the OEM, I'd stay with the Tuner 1 over the Type R or GS-R. To maximize the use of a smaller turbocharger like what you have, look into the Kelford 176-T (if you plan to go larger later) or, of course, my favorite, the T1 from GSC Power-Division, which is a much more versatile camshaft than most here are willing to accept and believe.
That's just my $0.25.
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Old Oct 14, 2019 | 10:52 AM
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By all means I want the advice to roll in, especially from people with a million years experience. Lol. I will look into other cams and stay away from Pro 1s. I will not be going bigger after this. I will call it good after the few extras I'm wanting to do and the awd kit. My lil Demon still looks stock and puts a **** eating grin on my face when I drive it. That's what it is all about for me. After that, I want to either build a track car or a drift car. How's the 300 blk out? I got to show you my 300.
But after Talking to Jay, they did re-run that oil line like you suggested. Thanks for the help.....
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So just an update, i have moved frim the Middle East to now Pacific (Guam) for my last tour. Never the less here is my hatch like in previous posts i said i was going to swap my motor in.
GSC's finally came in, about a 3 month wait. While i was waiting i went ahead and pulled the head to replace the factory type R valves, and re do the guides.


She is ready to see how these will react and compare to Type R cams. I will jeep you guys updated on progress with comparisons of the 2.
I do know this is a honda site but thought i would show you my new project.
If you dont know already I am active duty military and usually change duty stations every 2 years or so. During every tour i find a project to work on to take my mind off work or just not deployed to a shithole.
Here she is:


2004 MK4 R32
I know she has it rough, but she has great potential. This will be my project here in Guam for the next 2 years. The previous owner i had to track down because you can tell she was abandoned. The owner could not afford the axles (only front). Body is straight, i will finish the finishing touches on the sanding the body to prep for paint. Axles are in route with all maintenance to overhaul motor, trans, haldex, rear dif, and fuel. I think i can handle all that in a weekend to get her on the road.
Shodan, im still attempting to goin fast how ever i can....Lol
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nice update! I'm in the process of rebuilding my setup as well. I wanted to run the GSC's but had to pass them up for now just want my car back on the road! I'm active duty as well enjoy the weather out there! Way nicer than the constant rain here in the United Kingdom lol. I loved my year in Korea but don't think I could do another tour in PACAF with all the curfew crap etc.
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Old Apr 20, 2020 | 05:24 AM
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Well let me if you want some type r cams, lol. They will be available in the next 2 weeks or so. No curfew here, buts its an island, barf.....Lol
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