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So matte is more slippery than gloss or does it weigh less?
I don't think there is much, if any, aero advantage. Of course teams may think there is an aero advantage since RB is using it. I just think it makes the sponsor logo's pop on the car moar.
If it offered any advantage it wouldn't just be RB and Williams running a matte paint job and someone would eventually leave the panels bare carbon. Williams had matte since 2014 and it hasn't helped them out much. The McLaren chrome paint job was rumored to be thicker/heavier than others and they stuck with it for years.
I like the motor. I like the sound. I like the modernity of it's design. But for my own projects? I'll pass. Everyone LSx swaps because they fit everywhere, make great power, and can be had affordably. The Coyote on the other hand just makes great power and noise. But if you can afford it fam, do it.
That goes for too turky.
LS have the power density and packaging but it's just too easy for me. I like something somewhat unique.
Originally Posted by blue8g
F v. K. I'm just talkin dem fancy materials. Of course the newer engine & newer tech will have dat advantage.
F also sounds way better than K.
Sup wif dat blu logic on the Coyote. I see you.
The K is only a couple years newer though... and other manufacturers had cam phasing technology at the time the F20C was being developed. It's always surprised me that they didn't integrate it on that engine.
Yep, sound matters. Even in the best case the LS just sounds ok.
Originally Posted by 1158
I don't think there is much, if any, aero advantage. Of course teams may think there is an aero advantage since RB is using it. I just think it makes the sponsor logo's pop on the car moar.
But eh, what do I know.
Yeah, I think everyone would ignore it if it weren't on one of Newey's cars. Might do nothing but because it's different they have to check it out.
Brown, who became known as F1's sponsorship and marketing guru, has been clear that McLaren will do things differently from now on – and that is poised to include a new look for its car.
Speaking at last weekend's Autosport International Show, Brown said the team's 2017 livery had been signed off by team members – and he dropped a big hint about visual changes.
"We've shown it to the guys and girls at McLaren and we're very excited for our future," he said.
"We've just signed off on the car livery and I think the fans will be excited to find out what the car looks like both technically and visually."
Sources suggest that the change coming for 2017 could be much greater, and hark back to the famous orange livery that the team ran in Can-Am and in F1 from 1968 to 1971. McLaren as also run the orange colours during pre-season testing twice before – ahead of the 1997 and 1998 campaigns, and in 2006.
Whether or not the entire McLaren 2017 F1 will be orange, or if only sections of the car will be orange, has not been revealed though - with the team eager to keep quiet about its plans prior to the launch on February 24.
I think the new owner is going to give the fans what they want and will try to work that McLaren nostalgia to bring sponsors back to the team.
I suspect you are right and I would think the owners will feel it will help showcase this is a "new" McLaren. If Honda gets the PU right and McLaren gets the chassis right we could see a repeat of when Brawn left Merc. I'm not saying that McHonda will be as dominant/successful as Merc since Brawn left (no way that happens) but I wonder if we will see a McLaren resurgence that was actually set in motion by the work Ron did b4 he was kicked out.
And considering that Zak Brown owns a pretty nifty collection of classic F1 cars – including a 1990 Ferrari 641, a 1986 Lotus 98T and a 1970 March 701 – we wouldn’t be surprised to see McLaren drivers Fernando Alonso and new boy Stoffel Vandoorne rolling retro in 2017.
Brawn > Dennis when it comes to day to day ops of running an F1 team. The Ron has been hands off the racing operations for a while now.
I'm not really comparing Brawn and Ron just how both would have been instrumental in putting pieces together and then leaving b4 success occurred. Granted Brawn would have been more hands on but Ron helped woo Honda and put some of the other pieces in place.
I'm not really comparing Brawn and Ron just how both would have been instrumental in putting pieces together and then leaving b4 success occurred. Granted Brawn would have been more hands on but Ron helped woo Honda and put some of the other pieces in place.
Well I am comparing them because I wouldn't attribute McLaren's success or failure directly to RD. The race teams structure has been relatively stable for a couple of years. That's what matters most IMO.
Well I am comparing them because I wouldn't attribute McLaren's success or failure directly to RD. The race teams structure has been relatively stable for a couple of years. That's what matters most IMO.
Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
