Hmmm, Do I hear bragging about electronic hacking? LOL

 

Looks like

 

I found this posted by user "andyboyd102" over on Civic X...

Here is my Dyno run graph. What you have to keep in mind is these numbers are going to be different from hondata numbers because this was a Dyno at the wheels with tires and rims on. I installed the High tune (6+ boost) on 93 octane and gained 27 horsepower and 25 foot pounds of torque and that is with the Injen short ram intake. I'm MORE than pleased with the FlashPro. The performance is nite and day!!! I highly recommend the FlashPro!!!

 

Hopefully, the turbocharger itself doesn't 1) fall outside of the efficiency range of its capability..(6psi increase can be a lot for an OEM unit depending upon the size). 2) require an intercooler upgrade with this increase in boost pressure, because most factory intercoolers are rather crap out of the box and are already inefficient.

So, remember kids, just because it's turbo from the factory, doesn't mean that supporting modifications aren't necessary, when increasing power.... Welcome to factory turbo power..

 

I hear that the new CR-V has a larger turbocharger and bigger camshafts... reportedly, the same as the upcoming Si. As long as the supporting hardware is up to snuff, those two upgrades could produce some juicy low cost gains.

 

That's true, but we need to make sure that the integration (exhaust manifold, wastegate placement, compressor & turbine housing designs) can swap over. Hopefully, Honda kept that wonderful QC interchangeability that has been known to be revolutionary for the last 25-30 years. ... But we'll see.

Honestly, IMHO, I believe that by the time someone has performed that successful integration, a third-party aftermarket vendor has already re-stamped and recreated housings/manifolds to work with the current line of aftermarket turbos from Garrett & BW, to the point where swapping one OEM turbocharger to another isn't worth the time.

I've dealt with a lot of OEM turbos in OEM applications to swap over. It's dizzying, and I have a feeling I'm right as to how this will play out in the next 2 years.

 

I think i'll be happy with wat the 1.5t puts out, or fuel efficiency.

 

But... there is no exhaust manifold

Seriously, the turbos are mounted directly to the monoport. The converter is bolted directly to the turbine exit. The wastegates are integrated, but the electronic melco servo is a nice bonus. The stock K20C and 1.5t turbos are tiny little things in general, I have not seen any maps for them though.

 

That's not uncommon. The Ford Focus is similar in design as a single exhaust port to enter straight into the volute of the turbine housing.. No "exhaust manifold" as retrofitted kits are used to being seen. The electronic melco servo is really no different than a solenoid controlling the wastegate directly by way of the main ECU.. The aftermarket came out with options about 1.4 years after that was released in the Ford world. I was at the engine release party in Dearborn for the Focus in 2011. This too is similar.to the Ford exhaust port design.

 

Yeah, the monoport is, for better or worse, here to stay for production car engines. Electronic wastegates are great, I'm happy to have them around.

 

I'm not a fan of the wastegate solenoids that are now attached; they interfere with boost pressure signals for even boost gauges, and more to take apart when I have to put a different series boost controller system to it. And yes, the ones I use have always been leaps and bounds over the MAC stuff, and I don't want the ECU to worry about the damn thing. That's why I like the GReddy Controllers. completely independent control.


So, far I see the following aftermarket parts coming out first.

-I/C upgrade (the stock one looks HORRIBLY chincy... (Plastic endtanks? What is this, FoMoCo?)
-I/C hard pipe upgrades
-ECU flashes outside of Hondata (hopefully one that can clear trouble codes without interfering with the rest of the CANBUS system
-Intake upgrades (I'm sure INJEN already started, as well as AEM and Mishimoto..There will be others)
-Exhaust system upgrades (C'mon GReddy, don't let me down!)
-Downpipe upgrades (Let the engine be relieved of backpressure, you'll see even more results than just an ECU flash)
-Replacement Metal flange system in order to tap into the vacuum source of the engine (lots and lots of plastic in there. hard to find proper grounds)
-Suspension upgrades
-Brake upgrades (rotors, pads, brake lines, etc)

I don't see much of a future in the stock turbo upgrades. considering the monoport will make turbine housings stay stock, and force the turbine wheel to stay the same size.. When you force a compressor wheel upgrade to match a maxxed out turbine wheel, you'll have nothing but surge issues, and no benefit.
Lest we forget, in order to upgrade a stock turbo, you have to have CHRA cores to work with... which will be limited for at least 3 years before affordable ones can be used.. And that's before the knock-offs come into play.

Damn.. I've been doing this way too long.

 

Injen Intake System

You Tube

Mishimoto Intake system


Dynamometer "tests" of Mishimoto's system

Mishimoto Catch Can

I have concern for this catch can a bit. It's not a true oil separation system.


Some company called TYPE1GROUP already has an exhaust system..


So does Injen

You Tube

 

The turbo is pretty much maxed out at 215-220 hp. Bottom end torque is great. We've seen 235 lb-ft torque.

• The wastegate is needed for the ECU's torque control. Torque is controlled by changes to ignition, wastegate position and throttle plate.
• The stock intercooler is _very_ light and works pretty well for boost levels the stock turbo is capable of making.
• The Hondata FlashPro system clears ECU specific trouble codes without interfering with the other CANBUS systems.
• Yes, there are plenty of intakes now available.
• Our testing of exhaust systems shows minimal gains.
• Our testing of a downpipe system shows reasonable bottom end to midrange improvements but nowhere near the gains an ECU reprogram delivers.

Look out for a DSport test and tune article in February in which intake, intercooler, exhaust, downpipes, ECU reprogram and high octane fuel are all tested on a 2016 Civic EX 1.5 MT.

 

Understood. The wastegate is needed regardless for any control, so I'm sure we can just chuck that up to SOP of a wastegate. As for the exhaust system, meh, depends upon which one you get (or make) or who designed it. A complete downpipe back Exhaust system with your FlashPro upgrade, will show better "gains" overall.

You know as well as I that no one itemin a turbo car gives the most "gains"...

BTW. Love the information and the fact that you guys decided to participate in these discussions for a change... Keep it up, gents.

 

I myself just purchased one of these as well, 6-Speed Sport (although where I am it hasn't arrived yet), but I have already had to replace a turbo on the 1.5l engine because it locked up. Car had 90 miles on it...

Hopefully this isn't a reoccurring thing with this engine.

-Amp

 

The turbo "locked up"... Interesting. If you have honda's official with order showing a cause, please share it.

I only ask because a turbo "locking up" is only from no oil going into the turbo at all.

 

In this case I assume it was manufacturing defect in the CHRA. It would still rotate but only if I forced the hell out of it. P0299 was present which is an under boost code. Techline agreed with what I suggested and I put a turbo in it. I checked myself for oil flow and it had it. Never heard anything after that from them.

The actual Honda Technician's Forum I'm on only shows one other case at this time of this happening. That one occuring at 154 miles, I think. But that's already two that I know of...

-Amp

 

 

Available upgrade you say? (BMW uses td03 too)
https://www.vividracing.com/catalog/...150951508.html
and Turbo Labs says..." We are currently working on making it possible to turn 335i tdo3 turbos into tdo4HL 19ts."

 

I believe I mentioned that the 335i (E90/E92 chassis use this)

For that "upgrade"

A) You won't be able to get just one, you'll need a core sent it for these for the Honda. Upgrades will be about $1500 each. (I know 2 companies now going through prototype tests as we speak, and although happy with peak results, know that the turbine wheel can't take much more that what stock can give)
B) the wastegate is in a different location than the 335i twins.
C) The turbine wheels for the upgrade will be overpowered by the compressor wheel change up. Clipping the turbine wheel helps, but not by much at that turbine gas flow rate capability.

 

Can we get pictures of the turbo? Taken apart?

 

 

Oh damn, so you basically send the old turbo back to them? I thought you guys junk it .

 

Yup, they send us a new one in exchange for the defective. It's like this for any warranty item. If we could keep faulty items you can imagine the increase in "bad" parts we'd have. haha

-Amp

 

Very front, side CHRA, Rear turbine housing, the oil feed side, and return tube. As much as you can. Good quality ones if possible.