Ok so ive been putting some plans together for the past couple months and i wanna see what i can do on with this on the side after work. i currenty rent a garage and i do all of my own work along with friends, one day i got an idea that i wanted to do somethign eye catching and fun to ride around in because everyone loves riding in the mud and getting dirty after a hard days work. if u know what i mean bump this lol. well anyway here it goes.

Plans for the build :

Use an many stock honda parts from junk yard to start and finish this build starting with a full d15b2 or b8 something around the cheapest way to go. build a light weight frame and havet the motor in the rear of the frame, along with using the stock honda trans ( gears will be backwards) and hard to get use to if i go with a 5 speed tranny. with stock honda d series axles and the stock honda hubs and break system and suspension system mainly shooting for an old good condition set of eg front hubs, breaks, struts and springs. and kinda build a front end honda on the rear of the frame. but also keeping the wheel from turning like the front would do. im a pretty good welder so i think i can pretty much do all this myself. I want to use everything from a honda pretty much for the hole swap of coarse i wont want it to over heat so there will be stock cooiling system in it. and im shooting to make it a 2 seater and have the front being pretty lightweight so can turn eaiser. with front breaks also. probably going to use another fron set of stock eg hubs and put stock suspension on it also. i know i havent really thought into true detail but as i do progress more into this build i will be posting pics, and the stratgies i used to build this. if u guys thing im doing something wrong correct me and help me out here. im trying to do it at cheap but nice as possible so im going to be posting pics up of some ideas i got and some blue prints of what i got so far. let me know what u guys think. thanks and subscribe for one hell of a build.

pics of my quick blue prints of: Project: Honda Swamper.

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Something of what i want it to look like and be like. i have a feeling mine wont look as good

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OR a street legal dune buggy. i would have alot more to do but also in the plans.

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pics updated. thanks

 

well you could go with the design similar to the v dub buggy show here
http://www.thehotrodfactory.com/imag...lack_01_lg.jpg

http://www.adrianstomcat.co.uk/Image...tleBuggy13.JPG
http://www.adrianstomcat.co.uk/Image...Buggy12-04.jpg
http://freewayfotos.com/cruisers/dun...ne_buggy82.jpg


and go with a design like that using a B20 from and honda crv and if u wanted leave it an automatic and with your custom built frame put a truck suspension on something wit some ground clearence for the mudding kind of thing or if you wanted to go low us a truck supension find out how high the vehicle would be and then cut as many rings as you need to get the high you want or just use the crv suspension and try and find cheap *** coilovers for it and lower it, as far as the seats would go it would be a simple carbon fiber racing seat sparco or someother brand with some swade leather cushion and go with the 4point racing harness and that should be simply it with all that..............or if you feel like being easier you could go with a chevy 350 engine rear wheel drive automatic but think bout the idea for awhile this is my contribution

 

First: This is the wrong forum for your request. I'd try in the Hybrid or maybe even Fabrication forum.

Second: Using Honda suspension bits (specifically the Civic parts you mentioned) will give you poor ground clearance, which sounds like something you'd want. They'll also be pretty heavy (the spindles anyway).

Third: Rather than recreate the wheel, you might want to look into cheap mid-engine donor setups that are already available. Old MR2s come to mind, maybe a Fiero or something? It'll simplify EVERYTHING.

Fourth: The D15B2 or B8 sucks at everything except gas mileage. If you turbo it, things get better, but...eh. The stock transmission is absolutely the pits as well. Might as well start with something better that'll cost just about the same. This is forgetting the fact that you're already overcomplicating the project from the get-go. On that note, why reverse the gears? If you stick the engine back there, it'll drive the rear wheels just like it'd drive the front wheels. Unless for some bizarre reason you decided to turn the engine around. I can't fathom why you'd do that though.

 

CHEAP is what is said b20 is too costly for me let alone the weight. im doign it as cheaply as possible and im not doing it to get 300hp or certian ammounts of torque. i want to do it cheap as possible and i think a built frame is best for me so i know what im doing and im doing it to learn more also im sure i will come across mant problems and this is just the begnning of it. i dont want anyone coming on here being dicks so if ur going to be ignorant dont bother posting. i dont mind help and others ideaa but i will have a couple draw ups in a couple mins of somthing like what i want to do . and the way im doing it i would have a about a foot of ground clearance. i dont plan on running stock trans mission i have a d16ex tranny i plan on using. better gear ratios and ill mainily be staying in lower gears because of the torque im going to need to make it up the trails at green ridge. im not talking about reverseing the gears they will just be different from sitting in front of the motor instead of sitting behind the motor am i right ? the gears would be from the right to left 1at the bottom right corner, 2 at the left top, 3 at the middle at the bottom , 4th at the top middle , and 5th at the left bottom ,reverse at the top left corner.... i will be getting alot of the metal pretty cheap and the frame metal i wont have to pay to much since i have an uncle that owns a junk yard.... makes everything eaiser. and im also alot harder headed than most people so im still sticking to my build.

 

and im on this four for a reason. im on here all day and im building a HONDA powered machine for AUTOCROSS. so i think im safe.

 

I hear ya on that one man i was just suggesting a better motor you can get one for like 400 if not less for the swap i have seen on a couple sites but if u go wit the D16Z6 bottom with the Y8 head you will be going with a good and cheap set up and ya the way the motor should be the same way as it would be if you pop the hood of a honda just move it to the back but i dunno i not to smart on figuring out that stuff just suggestions for ya but i getting off here to bed so ttyl man no ahole post from anyone none its not cool he wants suggestions l8r man hit me up tomorrow

 

yea its cool im just trying to do it as cost free as possible. im up for people helping me out i just dont want any downgrading going on. helping is alway open here. im not trying to **** anyone off by not going with there ideas i just think people r not seeing what im seeing. im the kinda person that puts a scooter motor on a bicycle and actually got to ride it. and do 30 mph on a stock 49cc motor.

 

Id like to see you autocross it.... seriously though how does this fit in the forum it's off road dude. Sounds like fun to drive at Oceano Dunes!

 

Ok, hold on. I'm not being a dick, but if you're asking questions, you need to be open to answers. Alternatively, if you're stubborn and hard-headed like you said, then I'll just STFU and leave you to figure this **** out for yourself.

YOU said "(gears will be backwards)" in reference to the transmission. Nothing will change with gear orientation, you're just moving the physical location of the entire unit from front to back. They're driving the wheels in the same direction. The transmission sits beside the engine. Since I guess you don't know this, you should maybe familiarize yourself with what you're dealing with before you get in too deep.

I also wasn't talking about a 300hp B20VTEC or anything, just something better than the absolute bottom-of-the-pile D-series. You can still be cheap with something better (how about a D16?), you just have to look around and be a little patient.

Your "diagram" doesn't really give us anything more to go off of than your description. The pictures of existing mud boggers or whatever are a much better model, and you should probably follow them. Take a look at the suspension on those: fabbed control arms, long off-roading (truck?) shocks, etc. None of that is stock off an existing street-legal passenger car. And there's a reason for it; stock stuff will work like garbage. If you have the fabbing ability you claim, you should be able to do the same thing, while keeping everything lighter and simpler.

My suggestion to try a different subforum here was meant to help you. The fabrication and/or hybrid guys have more experience with this kind of thing, and would probably be able to give you better input. As for autocrossing that thing, I'd find that very hard to believe. You may WANT to, but I don't know that it'll even pass tech. I sure won't get into how unstable it'll most likely be to drive quickly on a parking lot. If you're trying to have the perfect trail/mud/race vehicle, I think you're SOL.

Again, no attitude, just critical thinking. If you don't like THAT, you won't do well in this forum.

 

Alright well im trying to stick to honda-tech here this is the only fourm i like and ive been here awhile.

im not really going to race in autocross im just saying it to stay in the fourm, and yea im up for listening to anything, but it was just a quick draw up nothing too crazy detailed, i do know what u meant about the suspension and im also doing something like that just trying to give u guys a quick idea of it in the picture i drew. but again about the motor im not saying im going inside the tranny and trying to change the gears hell no but i would be right about the motor. if its in the rear of the frame with the front of it facing outward and the shift linkage going to infront of my seat wouldnt the gears be like said "the gears would be from the right to left 1at the bottom right corner, 2 at the left top, 3 at the middle at the bottom , 4th at the top middle , and 5th at the left bottom ,reverse at the top left corner".

And again about the motor im not sure which one im using i just have d15 sitting in my garage not being used and runs good so im thinking the cheapest and thought it would work no problems. i know pick up a d16 for around 2-400 but im njust trying to do a cheap build. i got alot of the stuff already from swaps ive did.

I do know a good bit about cars and fabrication, ive been studying over a year and i have my ase certification for A1 - A8 test. so its not like im coming on here knowing nothing about honda. im not saying the best and im asking for u peoples thoughts and opinions on it.

And again this hasnt been started yet should be after the new year.

 

Like I said, the Hybrid/Fab guys can help you out more I'm sure. Not sure why you want to stay in this particular forum, but whatever. As for the gears, you're actually talking about shift pattern. That's a cable-shifted trans, and I'm not 100% sure on how that works as far as physical cable movement-to-shift forks or whatever (I'm familiar with the hydro trannys), so I can't answer that question. I know from lots of other weird builds that you can make it shift in the stock pattern, just takes some creativity and engineering.

 

Yea idk y, but im just trying to stick with the forum im on most, and im sure anythings possible with the right modification. and yea the shift patter would be like that i guess. but yea subscribe to one hell of a build. if i have to change my post place ill ask the mods to change it to genneral discussion. i guess that would work with no problems idk. lol. thanks tho.

 

If you would have actually looked in the welding/fabrication forum on here like mentioned, you would have seen this thread about someone building the exact project your asking about.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/welding-fabrication-53/d16z6-buggy-sand-rail-build-2443988/

 

Come to the Fab forum bud

 

yea sorry i didnt. but thanks and this guy built a sand rail car, i want a dune buggy.

 

lots of dirt guys there even the guy from KORE was posting a while back they are all very cool in there...it's the coolest section!

 

Wow, that is EXACTLY what the OP was thinking to build. Annnnd, I didn't want to but...*cough*toldyaso*cough*

 

Your right stinky.... The shifting is going to pose an issue... this is going to have to be totally custom. (there goes cheap right out the window)
There are honda powered sand rails out there that overcome this issue but its pretty trick to build.

 

In the linked thread they have a "cheap" solution. It's ugly, but it looks like it should work. That is for a hydro trans though, so I don't know what would be different for the cable thing.

 

mods can we move this to fab section???

 

Alright well u guys stay subscribed to this build, maybe ur OP didnt have enought heart to even start it. i dont care about ur judgments about my plans and my project just makes me even more anxious to get it done quicker. thanks.

Essex: im trying to get it moved im going to come in there . thanks

 

Maybe you should just start another one as this ones kinda messed up you know lol.

 

yea im going to think about everything for awhile and draw up some better plans maybe use a different motor and some other things other than honda because of it being un torquey lol. i may end up going 4 wheel drive with this thing and putting a v6 on it. im never sure of what i want my build to be but i will deff, keep u guys updated and see where things go.

 

^ I actually meant start a new topic because this topic is cluttered with negative post stuff you don't need you know what I mean lol. I didn't mean start a new project if you misunderstood me sorry.

 

No i know what i mean, im just not sure if im going thru with using the same idea because ive been thinking alot about it and im going to need more tq than anything i dont wanna be doing 100mph on a dessert i wanna be flinging mud 20 feet in the air. torquing it up a mountain. so im thinking about doing something a lil different. Got any ideas? im trying to get ahold of my dads old nissan truck with an automatic tranny, 3.0 v6 motor 4wd, and take that and keep it on the frame and build around that frame with the bed and cab cut off and stuff like that.