<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shyb0i714 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the cdm cx heavier than the usdm cx? how would i know if mine is a cdm cx?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not 100% about this, but I think the CDM CX has Dx stuff on it like the bigger gas tank and a few others add-ons.

Where's my Canadians at y0?

 

how would i know if my hatch is a cdm or usdm? will there be a sticker or something on my car?

 

Ok, is the jury still out on the Si? I have a 94 Si, I know it's a heavy pig, but I am going to work w/ what I got. Has anyone figured out for sure if there is extra body support for the sunroof?

All that extra weight has to be somewhere. I mean, 300lbs is quite a bit.

Things that we know are heavier on the Si in stock form:
-wheels
-brakes
-tar
-extra mirror
-power mirrors
-sunroof/motor/wiring
-rear wiper/motor
-PS pump/lines/fluid/rack
-airbags
-larger fuel tank
-front sway bar
-side molding/front lip haha
-cruise control

anything I am missing?

So let's say we were building two identical cars. Ones an Si and ones a CX. I am wondering how far off they would be if we use the same engines, same i/h/e set up, radio's in both, same wheels, same interior and same steering wheel. From the Si we remove the tar, rear wiper/motor, PS pump/lines, cruise control, passenger airbag, and we swap fuel tanks. We leave rear disk brakes, extra mirror/motors, sunroof/motor, the PS rack, front sway bar and side molding/front lip. At this point how far is the Si really off the weight of the cx? Cause this all pretty easy/cheap stuff to remove/replace. maybe 100lbs difference at this point?


Modified by DIRep972 at 10:26 AM 10/28/2004

 

My B18C swapped CX weighed in at 2048 w/ half tank of gas. I've done quite a bit to reduce the weight. This is still a very streetable car.

My old race car weighed (B18C1, 1995 DX) weighed 1684 w/ a glass windshield.

 

http://www.edmunds.com has stock weights of almost every car thats ever been sold. It also has alot of other specs like power and standard features.

 

I could have swore that my registration said my old VX weighed 2044 lbs, not 2094 lbs., but I could be wrong!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ausmith &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My B18C swapped CX weighed in at 2048 w/ half tank of gas. I've done quite a bit to reduce the weight. This is still a very streetable car.

My old race car weighed (B18C1, 1995 DX) weighed 1684 w/ a glass windshield.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How did you strip 400lbs off of your car?

 

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No weights from any site are exactly right. I've seen so many variations it's not even funny. Best idea is to weigh your car yourself to know what it weighs exactly.

 

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No weights from any site are exactly right. I've seen so many variations it's not even funny. Best idea is to weigh your car yourself to know what it weighs exactly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Bump.

 

A 232 lb spread from "lightest" to "heaviest." with the lightest inheriting weight-stripping possibilities that the Si hasn't even made use of yet.

I can take an Si down to 2200 lb EASY and be perfectly fine with that weight.

It's still so funny to see these "yea but I got the CX and it's lighter and better" flippant remarks still going around.

As an example: I dropped 225 lb from my FD to bring it down to 2575 lb by going no PS/AC/turbo control/race seats/etc. without even removing any interior (besides changing seats) and I'm perfectly fine with it's weight. 2575 lb/300 whp+ 50/50 RWD... it's light *enough* for now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clayne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A 232 lb spread from "lightest" to "heaviest." with the lightest inheriting weight-stripping possibilities that the Si hasn't even made use of yet.

I can take an Si down to 2200 lb EASY and be perfectly fine with that weight.

It's still so funny to see these "yea but I got the CX and it's lighter and better" flippant remarks still going around.
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Dude my CX weighs 2010lbs currently, and I've still got my bumper beams, airbag steering wheel, all my glass, heater, 4-wheel discs, stock battery, etc.

My opinions aren't as extreme as they used to be regarding the Si vs. base models, but it's still fact that base models are lighter and can keep that advantage until the Si drops the entire moonroof/tray and goes with a C/F plug.

Right now I'm selling the 1992 Si with B16A2 swap that my wife and i own, and I really hate selling it because the car is just too ******* nice. it's an Si with full interior, working A/C, P/S, cruise, etc. etc. and it's a really nice car to drive. It is also in no way nearly as quick as a stripped base model with the same mods, but again different strokes for different folks. This Si is way easier to sell than a base model with the same mods though.

 

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1992 Civic 4-door with manual tranny:

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Pickin up one of these this weekend, I was told they were light, but damn, thats awesome......

Great Write-Up

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DIRep972 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. Has anyone figured out for sure if there is extra body support for the sunroof?
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The sunroof/and all its support features are very heavy, We have taken many
of them out at my shop, and they weight a solid 50-70 lbs........

 

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Dude my CX weighs 2010lbs currently, and I've still got my bumper beams, airbag steering wheel, all my glass, heater, 4-wheel discs, stock battery, etc.
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As I was saying.. more "CX is the lightest, Si is fat pig" flippancy.

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My opinions aren't as extreme as they used to be regarding the Si vs. base models, but it's still fact that base models are lighter and can keep that advantage until the Si drops the entire moonroof/tray and goes with a C/F plug.
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A 40 lb difference. Hardly worth factoring the Si out of a choice (if someone were concerned about the weight of their hatchback).

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Right now I'm selling the 1992 Si with B16A2 swap that my wife and i own, and I really hate selling it because the car is just too ******* nice. it's an Si with full interior, working A/C, P/S, cruise, etc. etc. and it's a really nice car to drive. It is also in no way nearly as quick as a stripped base model with the same mods, but again different strokes for different folks. This Si is way easier to sell than a base model with the same mods though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's no way nearly as quick with the same mods?

I can take an Si down to a CX weight level, albeit 40 lb heavier because of the moonroof. Would I really fret over the fact that you had a 2010 lb CX and I had a 2050 lb Si because it had a moonroof? No.

Fact of the matter is that all other things aside - the base shell of the cars are damn near the same. I surely hope you aren't selling a nice condition Si because psychologically you believe it will never be as light as a CX. That's ridiculous.

I checked out your car page.. a lot of focus on the fact that it has an LSD stamp and B18C5 engine code... in addition to the fact that the entire REAR and door interiors are out of the car (that's OEM from Honda right? haha).

If your car is not being road-raced then 2010 lb or 3010 lb - it's still ****.


Modified by clayne at 5:48 PM 1/25/2005

 

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The sunroof/and all its support features are very heavy, We have taken many
of them out at my shop, and they weight a solid 50-70 lbs........</TD></TR></TABLE>

Except for the fact that someone has already weighed them at 37 lb. You telling me the support hardware is 33 lb now?

 

interesting info. i rather get a 4dr than a si h/b

 

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I can take an Si down to a CX weight level, albeit 40 lb heavier because of the moonroof. Would I really fret over the fact that you had a 2010 lb CX and I had a 2050 lb Si because it had a moonroof? No.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What is the point of taking a nice (and also more rare) Si and ruining everything that makes it nice by stripping it down? it's absurd. My wife's 1992 Si kept all of it's interior and comfort items because it's nice - why ruin it by stripping it?

That's like taking a brand new B18C5 and tearing it down for a turbo build - you ruin everything that makes it nice.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fact of the matter is that all other things aside - the base shell of the cars are damn near the same. I surely hope you aren't selling a nice condition Si because psychologically you believe it will never be as light as a CX. That's ridiculous.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, I sold a nice 1992 Si because I wanted a CX because it's more rigid (tell me a big hole in the roof is strudy) and I wanted to do a complete teardown, rebuild, repaint on a fresh chassis. I already had two Si hatches, one for comfort (wife's car that's currently for sale) and one that had no A/C, P/S, etc. that makes an Si nice - refer to my first statement above.

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I've simply never reinstalled interior panels because I CHOOSE not to. i took the old faded **** out of the car to have the car completely color changed, and I liked the way the clear coated interio looks. I've also priced brand new OE Honda interior and I plan on installing it all at once when I save the necessary funds.

I can have full interior and still weigh less than an Si stripped of it's P/S, A/C, etc. My old Si weighed 2289lbs. with full interior, no spare, no A/C, no P/S (swapped in a non-P/S rack too), etc. Interior might add 50lbs. to my weight of 2010lbs. - do the math since you're so smart.



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Nice jab. Seeing as how I've auto-X'd the car numerous times I think i'm justified in building MY car the way I ******* WANT TO. Not that I need to justify myself and my actions to you anyways, but the silver car in question doesn't even need to be driven if I don't want to. We have two other vehicles (90 HB and an 05 Element) that we drive for "comfort."

I didn't build my car to suit you, and since you're taking shots at me what do YOU drive?

I think it's funny that you resort to personal insults to hide the fact that you have little valid points.

 

B18C5-EH2 I still love your car hehe.... SI are for comfortable spirited driving, CX's are the bare bones minimum, perfect for Auto x racing... plain and simple.

 

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What is the point of taking a nice (and also more rare) Si and ruining everything that makes it nice by stripping it down? it's absurd. My wife's 1992 Si kept all of it's interior and comfort items because it's nice - why ruin it by stripping it?
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Stripping it? Who said anything about stripping the car down.

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That's like taking a brand new B18C5 and tearing it down for a turbo build - you ruin everything that makes it nice.
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No. You're simply not using it for an NA application. Nobody is taking the OEM parts and throwing them in a dumpster.

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I've simply never reinstalled interior panels because I CHOOSE not to. i took the old faded **** out of the car to have the car completely color changed, and I liked the way the clear coated interio looks. I've also priced brand new OE Honda interior and I plan on installing it all at once when I save the necessary funds.
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Mhmmm..

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I can have full interior and still weigh less than an Si stripped of it's P/S, A/C, etc. My old Si weighed 2289lbs. with full interior, no spare, no A/C, no P/S (swapped in a non-P/S rack too), etc. Interior might add 50lbs. to my weight of 2010lbs. - do the math since you're so smart.
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Really, so you lost 40 lb with the above removed? Get your scale calibrated.

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Nice jab. Seeing as how I've auto-X'd the car numerous times I think i'm justified in building MY car the way I ******* WANT TO. Not that I need to justify myself and my actions to you anyways, but the silver car in question doesn't even need to be driven if I don't want to. We have two other vehicles (90 HB and an 05 Element) that we drive for "comfort."

I didn't build my car to suit you, and since you're taking shots at me what do YOU drive?
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93 Si w/ B18C5
94 CX w/ B18C1
93 RX-7 R1 @ 2575 lb, 300+ whp.

First B18C swap in _96_ and one of the original early members of the hybrid board.

You still have an oppurtunity for a friend here.

 

so if i take out a/c, p/s, sound deadening material(tar), rear disc brakes, rear speakers, power mirrors, sunroof and replace 14" wheels with 13" then my si would weigh the same as a dx... correct?

 

No. Read the thread.

 

clayne:

I don't want to ruin this topic with any more posts between me and you regarding my personal preferences, so let's take it to IM, thanks.

 

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of them out at my shop, and they weight a solid 50-70 lbs........</TD></TR></TABLE>


wow, i love the misinformaton floating around out there.

the complete sunroof assembly with hoses etc. weighs 34.2 lbs. this is an exact weight i took myself on a ny state certified scale.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blykins &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my car (94 Si hatchback) seems to be heaviest car on earth, i took backseats out, spare tire out, passenger seat out, and had less than 1/4 tank of gas, and it was 2440lb WITHOUT me. I still ran 14.3 at COMMEREC(Shitty track , many people will back me on this) w/ my ITR swap w/ stock exhuast, i have since upgraded to an Apexi WS so maybe that'll drop my time by a 1/10 or so. Weight is the enemy and i am only 110lbs myself, so im guessing thats helping me out perhaps.
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Witness . . . the world's heaviest B18C1/'93 CX hatch w/ power steering, no A/C, no carpet, but otherwise full interior, has a head unit and two 6 1/2" coaxials only. Engine has Skunk2 IM, JDM ITR header, 2 1/2" catback exhaust with 22" Magnaflow resonator and Tanabe muffler. Other weight adders - OEM Integra GSR front sway bar, ST rear swaybar, passenger side mirror, JDM rear wing, Civic EX OEM clock, Civic EX dash cluster.

Car is on the scales with 1/4 tank fuel, no spare/jack, BFG G-Force drag radials on 15" steelies (WAY heavy - like 45 lb. each) and the rear wheels are OEM Integra GSR 5-spokes, about 16 lb. each with Kuhmo MX 205/50-15s (about 20 lb each).

Total weight - 2305 lb. It was as heavy as 2355 lb. on a different weigh-in the same day though - and I really doubt I burnt through 50 pounds of gas and front tires in 8 runs. So obviously the scale isn't all that consistent. Scale is at Bandimere Speedway, Morrison, CO.