IT Rule Changes
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Re: IT Rule Changes (MaddMatt)
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But I suck....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Assuming you're talking about your track skillz ('cause that statement needs narrowing in order to work with it), the fastest way to unsuckify yourself is to spend a year or two chasing the fast guys.
Spend 45 minutes chasing a Walt Puckett or Vesa Silegren or etc., etc., and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
At this stage of the game for you (and a whole bunch like you), spending a session following some jacknob in a 911 Turbo waiting for a point-by is teaching you nada. As a matter of fact, I'd bet that your skills are stagnating.
Don't believe me... Ask Zsolt what the track looked like from his driver's seat a few months ago as compared to how it looks now.
Scott, who's been taken to school alot recently and is happy about it.
But I suck....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Assuming you're talking about your track skillz ('cause that statement needs narrowing in order to work with it), the fastest way to unsuckify yourself is to spend a year or two chasing the fast guys.
Spend 45 minutes chasing a Walt Puckett or Vesa Silegren or etc., etc., and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
At this stage of the game for you (and a whole bunch like you), spending a session following some jacknob in a 911 Turbo waiting for a point-by is teaching you nada. As a matter of fact, I'd bet that your skills are stagnating.
Don't believe me... Ask Zsolt what the track looked like from his driver's seat a few months ago as compared to how it looks now.
Scott, who's been taken to school alot recently and is happy about it.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (MaddMatt)
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But I suck....</TD></TR></TABLE>
We know this, but we are talking about racing.
But I suck....</TD></TR></TABLE>
We know this, but we are talking about racing.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (Mr Hammond)
Don't guess or rely on second hand info. Read it for yourself. The FasTrack is posted every month on SCCA.org, here's the latest:
http://www.scca.org/_Filelibra...k.pdf
and yes, the SI HB moved to ITA
http://www.scca.org/_Filelibra...k.pdf
and yes, the SI HB moved to ITA
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Re: IT Rule Changes (.RJ)
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Pat Griffith's car is still f/s</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just went up another $1k.
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Pat Griffith's car is still f/s</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just went up another $1k.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (Mr Hammond)
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Is this also what caused the debate about the 91-94 SE-R's being reclassed? I heard only 91-93's not 94 Which seems odd because 94's are the low ports which make less power then the 91-93 high ports. Hmmmm....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't know anything about SE-R's but I would assume, based the text of your question, that if the engine configuration is different (high ports vs. low ports), then it is technically a different car and therefore <U>should</U> be on different lines.
Like I said, I'm not a Nissan guy, so I don't know this for sure, just speculating.
Is this also what caused the debate about the 91-94 SE-R's being reclassed? I heard only 91-93's not 94 Which seems odd because 94's are the low ports which make less power then the 91-93 high ports. Hmmmm....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't know anything about SE-R's but I would assume, based the text of your question, that if the engine configuration is different (high ports vs. low ports), then it is technically a different car and therefore <U>should</U> be on different lines.
Like I said, I'm not a Nissan guy, so I don't know this for sure, just speculating.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (FormulaIntegra)
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I don't know anything about SE-R's but I would assume, based the text of your question, that if the engine configuration is different (high ports vs. low ports), then it is technically a different car and therefore <U>should</U> be on different lines.
Like I said, I'm not a Nissan guy, so I don't know this for sure, just speculating.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Right I agree that technically they are different due to the ports, but I was just curious why the "better" of the bunch went down in class. Hmmm.... Again maybe I have this wrong.
I don't know anything about SE-R's but I would assume, based the text of your question, that if the engine configuration is different (high ports vs. low ports), then it is technically a different car and therefore <U>should</U> be on different lines.
Like I said, I'm not a Nissan guy, so I don't know this for sure, just speculating.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Right I agree that technically they are different due to the ports, but I was just curious why the "better" of the bunch went down in class. Hmmm.... Again maybe I have this wrong.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (Mr Hammond)
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Right I agree that technically they are different due to the ports, but I was just curious why the "better" of the bunch went down in class. Hmmm.... Again maybe I have this wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Probably because someone requested it, but didn't request the other. The CRB doesn't usually do anything unless a request is put forth. They don't pore over the results of last year's races to see who needs to be moved where. They usually only take action if a specific request is submitted.
Right I agree that technically they are different due to the ports, but I was just curious why the "better" of the bunch went down in class. Hmmm.... Again maybe I have this wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Probably because someone requested it, but didn't request the other. The CRB doesn't usually do anything unless a request is put forth. They don't pore over the results of last year's races to see who needs to be moved where. They usually only take action if a specific request is submitted.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (FormulaIntegra)
Oh, and I was the one that requested the Si move, as well. I know the request has been reviewed, but I haven't heard whether it officially passed yet, or not. I'm still trying to work with Kirk to get some of the Honda ITA disorganization in the ITCS cleared up, but the CRB is painfully slow.
Which Honda cars do you feel are improperly classed? I"m very interested as i have worked very hard as a member of the IT advisory committee to try and fix the Honda errors. Thanks for your help.
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Which Honda cars do you feel are improperly classed? I"m very interested as i have worked very hard as a member of the IT advisory committee to try and fix the Honda errors. Thanks for your help.
Bob Clark
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Re: IT Rule Changes (1stgenboy)
Hi Bob,
Some of this was discussed over on IT.com, but here are the ones I can remember. The good news is that this list is very much smaller now than it was a few months ago.
My biggest remaining one is the 88-91 Civic/CRX DX in ITA. This car, on paper, is barely a match for the current ITB GTIs. No way it should be in ITA.
These cars can be found all day long dirt cheap, but nobody is racing them because of the classing. Put this car in B and it'll help bring in a bunch of budget minded folks.
The Accord BACK to ITB...
Has this been done already and I missed it?
88-91 CRX HF from ITB to ITC.
Quite a few of the early and mid 90s Civics that are currently in ITA should likely be in ITB with some weight added. The DXs, HXs and such.
Put the Type R in ITS. If the 325s, 944s and 911s can go there, then put the Acura in there. Make it weigh 2800lbs if you feel you need to.
Finally, and I'm shaky on this one because of the immediate overdog potential... But take the 1st gen Sis from ITA to ITB. Add weight, maybe even alot of it, but they likely belong in B moreso than A.
Thats my list. For now.
Some of this was discussed over on IT.com, but here are the ones I can remember. The good news is that this list is very much smaller now than it was a few months ago.
My biggest remaining one is the 88-91 Civic/CRX DX in ITA. This car, on paper, is barely a match for the current ITB GTIs. No way it should be in ITA.
These cars can be found all day long dirt cheap, but nobody is racing them because of the classing. Put this car in B and it'll help bring in a bunch of budget minded folks.
The Accord BACK to ITB...
Has this been done already and I missed it?
88-91 CRX HF from ITB to ITC.
Quite a few of the early and mid 90s Civics that are currently in ITA should likely be in ITB with some weight added. The DXs, HXs and such.
Put the Type R in ITS. If the 325s, 944s and 911s can go there, then put the Acura in there. Make it weigh 2800lbs if you feel you need to.
Finally, and I'm shaky on this one because of the immediate overdog potential... But take the 1st gen Sis from ITA to ITB. Add weight, maybe even alot of it, but they likely belong in B moreso than A.
Thats my list. For now.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (Catch 22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My biggest remaining one is the 88-91 Civic/CRX DX in ITA. This car, on paper, is barely a match for the current ITB GTIs. No way it should be in ITA.
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Funny you should mention. I'm actually the one who requested the classification of the car three years ago, because at the time the DX wasn't classified at all. In my letter, I recommended it be classed into ITB, but it went into A for some reason. That's why I pulled the stock engine, but stupidly inserted one that wasn't legal for anything.
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Funny you should mention. I'm actually the one who requested the classification of the car three years ago, because at the time the DX wasn't classified at all. In my letter, I recommended it be classed into ITB, but it went into A for some reason. That's why I pulled the stock engine, but stupidly inserted one that wasn't legal for anything.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (Catch 22)
Catch22,
The ITAC has just recieved a letter regarding reclassification of the 88-91 Civic/CRX dx and is reviewing and discussing this request.
I belive the Accord was moved back to B but i, do not have my notes here at work so do not hold me to this.
Someone needs to send a letter asking for a reclassification of the 88-91 CRX Hf.
I have not seen a letter on this since i have been on board with the ITAC.
I belive some of the early/mid 90's hondas were reclassed within the last few months. You might want to check previous Fastracks since i do not have my notes here at work.
Integra Type-R could cause problems if classed since it has a ported and polished head from the factory. This would be difficult/impossible to monitor the way the current IT head rules are written.
1st Gen Civic/CRX si move to B has been discussed and maybe a good canidate for B with some weight on it.
Hope this helps
Bob Clark
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The ITAC has just recieved a letter regarding reclassification of the 88-91 Civic/CRX dx and is reviewing and discussing this request.
I belive the Accord was moved back to B but i, do not have my notes here at work so do not hold me to this.
Someone needs to send a letter asking for a reclassification of the 88-91 CRX Hf.
I have not seen a letter on this since i have been on board with the ITAC.
I belive some of the early/mid 90's hondas were reclassed within the last few months. You might want to check previous Fastracks since i do not have my notes here at work.
Integra Type-R could cause problems if classed since it has a ported and polished head from the factory. This would be difficult/impossible to monitor the way the current IT head rules are written.
1st Gen Civic/CRX si move to B has been discussed and maybe a good canidate for B with some weight on it.
Hope this helps
Bob Clark
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I like the 15" rim rule, but the VW better have as much weight as my car if its going into ITA. My car has 2.0L but its under power and has a weight of 2680lb, My car stands at 2710 right now.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (1stgenboy)
Thanks Bob
I sent in the DX reclass request about a month ago. Glad to see it got in the hands of the ITAC already.
The Si in B does kind of scare me, but if you guys put enough weight in it it'll probably be OK. At least better off than it is in ITA.
I'd guess that'd it'd at least need to weigh as much as the DX cars since power is about the same but it has MPFI instead of the craptastic dual port. Maybe around 2200lbs... Maybe more???
You guys are doing a great job. Keep it up
I sent in the DX reclass request about a month ago. Glad to see it got in the hands of the ITAC already.
The Si in B does kind of scare me, but if you guys put enough weight in it it'll probably be OK. At least better off than it is in ITA.
I'd guess that'd it'd at least need to weigh as much as the DX cars since power is about the same but it has MPFI instead of the craptastic dual port. Maybe around 2200lbs... Maybe more???
You guys are doing a great job. Keep it up
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Re: IT Rule Changes (Catch 22)
That 2.0 16v GTI is a great poster child for the need for PCAs. It is listed in ITS at an ungodly low weight, intended as a symbolic move to make it "look" competitive when it was listed - want to guess?
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Wrong. 2220# ~!
It would kick everyones asses at that weight in A - if you could get it there - so it needs a big PCA before it will cross over.
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Wrong. 2220# ~!
It would kick everyones asses at that weight in A - if you could get it there - so it needs a big PCA before it will cross over.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (.RJ)
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It is not a bad car on track either. The times Lyonel has been putting down in SEHC this year would have him up front at most ITA weekends.
It is not a bad car on track either. The times Lyonel has been putting down in SEHC this year would have him up front at most ITA weekends.
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Re: IT Rule Changes (SPiFF)
We will see what happens next year...we still haven't decided what series we are going to concentrate on as of yet. I think we are looking for a balance between ECHC, SEHC, and ITA.
Honda Challenge has been very good to me, giving me a place to race competitively, but ITA is looking really good for me next year, as the SCCA has made some wise decisions regarding class change and many people on this forum (including myself to an extent) feel that ITA is the standard by which to compare one's true competition potential. We've had 3 years to develop the car "behind the scenes" in H4 and I am excited about making our debut in ITA.
By the way, I like the 15" wheel rule!
Honda Challenge has been very good to me, giving me a place to race competitively, but ITA is looking really good for me next year, as the SCCA has made some wise decisions regarding class change and many people on this forum (including myself to an extent) feel that ITA is the standard by which to compare one's true competition potential. We've had 3 years to develop the car "behind the scenes" in H4 and I am excited about making our debut in ITA.
By the way, I like the 15" wheel rule!
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Bring it on! I so look forward racing with you in to ITA. I can't speak for any other division but I would have to think that the SouthEast region by far has most numbers of cars out there.
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