problem solved, thanks guys!

leaving this up for future n00b installers such as myself

Here is the finished product.. now I'm wondering if my harnesses are mounted up right?










I mounted the rear bolts *up* to help w/tire clearance, and this way I can also check to see if they are backing off.. Is there anything wrong w/this?
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ok guys...puttin the ap bar in the kaa.. noticed a little problem.

here is Scott's bar..w/the bolt through the upper bar that branches off toward the wheel well.


notice the hole configuration.

here is mine.


bolt is through.


not only that, on the mounting plate towards the bottom there is a big gap between the wheel well and the plate.







It's almost like AP drilled the rear support bars backwords.. ie the Left bar goes on the Right side and vice versa.

Now, If we switch the rear support bars they mount up to the wheel well fine but the bolt holes on the main frame do not line up

Anyone had anything similar happen to them, or know what is going on?


Modified by DsR at 10:38 PM 2/27/2004


Modified by DsR at 9:23 AM 2/28/2004


Modified by DsR at 11:41 AM 2/28/2004

 

Does those two points have a "bolt" to hold them in? You could just turn it 180 degrees to match the picture and rebolt those two points down?

Not sure about the gap since I haven't done a new AP bar install (they were all gingerly used).

 

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It's almost like AP drilled the rear support bars backwords.. ie the Left bar goes on the Right side and vice versa.

Now, If we switch the rear support bars they mount up to the wheel well fine but the bolt holes on the main frame do not line up

Anyone had anything similar happen to them, or know what is going on? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you sure that you cannot switch the R and L sides? I remember doing mine in the ITR and we originally had the R and L sides in the wrong way. IIRC, we could get the bolt through at the main hoop joint either way, but the bottom plate did not sit correctly unless we swapped the R and L sides. Also, have you bolted down your main hoop yet? You maight be able to adjust the angle of the rear support plates by moving the main hoop attachment points a little forward/backward.

 

You'll notice that mine ended up with the same orientation as Scott's, not yours:

 

i would say to pull the bolt out and rotate the bar 180. that might fill the gap.

 

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I think that's what we tried on mine first and it was WAY off. Like the plate was at a 45 degree angle off the correct plane. Also, you'll notice that rotating the bar 180 would still not make his bolt holes in the same orientation as mine or Scott's. I'm convinced you have to swap them R/L.

 

What Travis said. Swap the rear supports left-to-right, and remember, this stuff isn't a "perfect fit". Also, make sure your bolts are coming "upwards" from the bottom of the car. The first pic you posted looks like they're going the other way.

$.02

 

When I installed mine, there was a little gap between the mounting plates.

When tightening the bolts, the plates sort of "bend", so to speak. Worked out perfect, and tightens up the whole bar setup because it's being "stretched" into position

 

From what I've seen, the bolt hole that connects the downtubes to the main hoop is hand-drilled - and not consistent between sides, or from bar to bar.

This will mean that the downtubes can't be switched from side to side. I'm sure you've already tried that. My guess is that the fabricator drilled the upper holes with the supports on the wrong sides (or turned around backwards).

That said, I wouldn't worry about it. It would be easier to use it as-is than to try to return it. If you're worried about the gap, I'd try heating the plates up with a torch and bending them a little.

I don't have my bar anymore, but I believe the two holes were at the bottom of mine as well.

 

Again.. thanks for all the help, you guys are invaluable.

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Got it figured out.

Wasn't R/L switch either.. the bolt hole was just not aligned right, we had to get clear out the hole a bit more..

Pics to come later.!

 

glad you figured it out!
on a side note, when I was installing my roll bar with a friend, I had the opposite problem you had. My bar only worked with the two bolts on the top and one on the bottom. The bar came like that when I picked the roll bar up and when my friend and I tried switching it, it wouldn't work no matter how we moved it. It ended up only sitting flush all around with the two bolts on top...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Again.. thanks for all the help, you guys are invaluable.

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Got it figured out.

Wasn't R/L switch either.. the bolt hole was just not aligned right, we had to get clear out the hole a bit more..

Pics to come later.!</TD></TR></TABLE>

yah they are a bitch to align. almost like rocket science.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SoichiroH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">glad you figured it out!
on a side note, when I was installing my roll bar with a friend, I had the opposite problem you had. My bar only worked with the two bolts on the top and one on the bottom. The bar came like that when I picked the roll bar up and when my friend and I tried switching it, it wouldn't work no matter how we moved it. It ended up only sitting flush all around with the two bolts on top...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank god I'm not the only one


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yah they are a bitch to align. almost like rocket science.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no kidding.. @first I felt dumb even asking, but I knew I had tried every single possible combination. (spin it 180, switch legs etc.)

Then I sat back for a min and considered it . What If I was to make this thing?

I started thinking of all the jigs/fixtures and tolerancing on this thing. Then thought of the variance in every single Integra that must be delt w/. No wonder it doesn't fit perfectly..

Luckily after we got the leg issue figured out, everything else went smoothly.

Here are a couple pics I got before we plopped the seats back in, and just got started on the padding.





More pics to come tommorow, my camera died

I got the chance to drive around a bit.. The car feels very *solid*. It feels more connected to the road as well. Also, the harness fits properly now and I feel alot more safe in the car..

If it stops snowing Ill be able to get a better feel for it on Sunday.

Again, thanks guys

 

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I mounted the rear bolts *up* to help w/tire clearance, and this way I can also check to see if they are backing off.. Is there anything wrong w/this?
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that's exactly how I did it I had a friend who put the bolts facing down towards the tire and it wasn't pretty after he took it out for a spin and bottomed out...hehe

don't mean to hijack your thread, but my bolt configuration for the rear wheelwells look like this (totally opposite you and the S&M Racing guy), but it was the only way I could get the rear plates to sit flush against the wheelwell:

I guess there's some variations on the bars when they make them *shrug*



Modified by SoichiroH at 9:52 PM 2/28/2004

 

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Modified by SoichiroH at 9:52 PM 2/28/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sweet, I'm not the only one that instaled it over the sound deadening. lol

 

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don't mean to hijack your thread, but my bolt configuration for the rear wheelwells look like this (totally opposite you and the S&M Racing guy), but it was the only way I could get the rear plates to sit flush against the wheelwell:

I guess there's some variations on the bars when they make them *shrug*

Modified by SoichiroH at 9:52 PM 2/28/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>

Even mine is slighty different from Scotts' bar.. I don't see anything wrong w/either variaton.

 

looks pretty good. im planning on getting one soon for my car.

is drilling required?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toEknEEg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks pretty good. im planning on getting one soon for my car.

is drilling required?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes drilling is required, through the wheel well, and through the floor just behind the seats.