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Re: Ouch (TeamSlowdotOrg)
On closer watching, as he went around the bend in the straight the rearend started to get a little lively and he didn't do anything with his hands until it was too late, just keeping it planted wasn't enough. You have to catch slides early when it's slick out and he just wasn't on top of it fast enough.
Anyways, most things are catchable/avoidable on the video screen. That sucks.
Anyways, most things are catchable/avoidable on the video screen. That sucks.
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Re: Ouch (Markus)
It really isn't fair to armchair quarterback this poor guy...but after studying this a few times, I'm gonna be an *** and do it anyway.
He isn't real smooth on and off the throttle, you can hear that clearly a couple of times leading up to the big pow and you can see the nose rise when he gets back on power during gear changes. Ya gotta be soooo smooth in the rain.
The conditions were getting pretty slick, he corrected a little bobble while powering out & coming on to the straight. He was probably expecting that, and was ready for it, so he caught it early and fixed it.
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That little kink in the straight must have had a little standing water that he didn't see, or it had formed since his last lap (gotta watch for changing conditions in the rain); the car stepped out, surprised him, he corrects way too late and compounds the problem by abruptly lifting off the gas. He's probably now staring right at the armco, fixated and just along for the ride.
Any chance of a clean spin on the pavement was lost by not going 'both feet in' soon enough (or at all) and the car did a scary opposite lock hook right into the armco. If his ABS was enabled, this might have contributed to the right hook, because the wheels won't readily lock during 'both feet in' until the wheel speeds drop below a pre-deterimined point (depends on the car).
I have no idea what he said, It was probably "Oh chit, this is gonna hurt" in Japanese. Or perhaps, whatever he said was in English and fear made it inaudible. I suspect if I were heading toward a fixed object at that speed, I would likely hollar something that sounded like a babbling infant too.
An observation about AWDs on a wet track, not related to this video. Man, they have amazing, confidence inspiring traction while powering out; but they don't stop or enter a corner any faster than 2WDs. It is so easy to get over confident in a car with so much traction while accelerating.
He isn't real smooth on and off the throttle, you can hear that clearly a couple of times leading up to the big pow and you can see the nose rise when he gets back on power during gear changes. Ya gotta be soooo smooth in the rain.
The conditions were getting pretty slick, he corrected a little bobble while powering out & coming on to the straight. He was probably expecting that, and was ready for it, so he caught it early and fixed it.
.That little kink in the straight must have had a little standing water that he didn't see, or it had formed since his last lap (gotta watch for changing conditions in the rain); the car stepped out, surprised him, he corrects way too late and compounds the problem by abruptly lifting off the gas. He's probably now staring right at the armco, fixated and just along for the ride.
Any chance of a clean spin on the pavement was lost by not going 'both feet in' soon enough (or at all) and the car did a scary opposite lock hook right into the armco. If his ABS was enabled, this might have contributed to the right hook, because the wheels won't readily lock during 'both feet in' until the wheel speeds drop below a pre-deterimined point (depends on the car).
I have no idea what he said, It was probably "Oh chit, this is gonna hurt" in Japanese. Or perhaps, whatever he said was in English and fear made it inaudible. I suspect if I were heading toward a fixed object at that speed, I would likely hollar something that sounded like a babbling infant too.
An observation about AWDs on a wet track, not related to this video. Man, they have amazing, confidence inspiring traction while powering out; but they don't stop or enter a corner any faster than 2WDs. It is so easy to get over confident in a car with so much traction while accelerating.
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Re: Ouch (.RJ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I disagree. As long as you are prepared, i.e. have rain tires, then the rain is one of the best places to develop your skills. Its no less safe than in the dry, as long as you keep your head out of your *** and remember that things can, and will get ugly quickly on a wet track.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A little rain sure will expose a lot of guys with shrinkies. If you can drive at the limit in the dry you should be able to drive to the limit in the wet. The only difference is you don't get to relax as much on the straights.
Only limp dicked pussies stay in the paddock if its wet (at a proper race). It just exposes a mental weakness to exploited no matter the prevailing condition.
JohnG could post some video of how racing in inch deep water is done.
Rick
I disagree. As long as you are prepared, i.e. have rain tires, then the rain is one of the best places to develop your skills. Its no less safe than in the dry, as long as you keep your head out of your *** and remember that things can, and will get ugly quickly on a wet track.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A little rain sure will expose a lot of guys with shrinkies. If you can drive at the limit in the dry you should be able to drive to the limit in the wet. The only difference is you don't get to relax as much on the straights.
Only limp dicked pussies stay in the paddock if its wet (at a proper race). It just exposes a mental weakness to exploited no matter the prevailing condition.
JohnG could post some video of how racing in inch deep water is done.
Rick
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Re: Ouch (Outsane)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Outsane »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to say I loved being on the track in the rain...
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I agree, best driving was at Willow Spring during a rare rain storm. Of course there's nothing (more or less) to hit out there. The video above scared me because of how close the walls were. Rain makes those walls look like the "kite-catching-trees" in Charlie Brown...
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I agree, best driving was at Willow Spring during a rare rain storm. Of course there's nothing (more or less) to hit out there. The video above scared me because of how close the walls were. Rain makes those walls look like the "kite-catching-trees" in Charlie Brown...
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Re: Ouch (B18C5 EH)
Yes, it is.
Someone was asking about what he was saying. I watched it a couple of times, and think it's just a primal, non-articulated, babbling of, "Oh f**k, I'm going to die!"
Or something of that nature.
Not quite sure how sensical my utterances would be in the same situation.
Darren, who actually thinks he could get a resounding "F**K!" out between the time the tires broke loose, and the time the car broke....it would probably be the only articulated thing I could get out.
Someone was asking about what he was saying. I watched it a couple of times, and think it's just a primal, non-articulated, babbling of, "Oh f**k, I'm going to die!"
Or something of that nature.
Not quite sure how sensical my utterances would be in the same situation.
Darren, who actually thinks he could get a resounding "F**K!" out between the time the tires broke loose, and the time the car broke....it would probably be the only articulated thing I could get out.
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Re: Ouch (turfer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turfer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JohnG could post some video of how racing in inch deep water is done.
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I think this is what Rick was talking about. If you can't race in the rain, don't even bother coming to the NW. In these clips, Rick starts up front, and I'm about mid pack just trying to survive the first few laps until things thin out. At about the 2:45 point, the yellow 510 gets clobbered and goes into the wall pretty hard. I make contact with a Novice RX7 driver in the chicane, but nothing too major.
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I think this is what Rick was talking about. If you can't race in the rain, don't even bother coming to the NW. In these clips, Rick starts up front, and I'm about mid pack just trying to survive the first few laps until things thin out. At about the 2:45 point, the yellow 510 gets clobbered and goes into the wall pretty hard. I make contact with a Novice RX7 driver in the chicane, but nothing too major.
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Re: Ouch (turfer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turfer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ...Only limp dicked pussies stay in the paddock if its wet (at a proper race). It just exposes a mental weakness to exploited no matter the prevailing condition. ...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Rick won't be surprised that I got a kick out of this.
Kirk (who dreams of rain)
Rick won't be surprised that I got a kick out of this.
Kirk (who dreams of rain)
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Re: Ouch (FormulaIntegra)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FormulaIntegra »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, it is.
Someone was asking about what he was saying. I watched it a couple of times, and think it's just a primal, non-articulated, babbling of, "Oh f**k, I'm going to die!
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Seeing the yellow/black Mekonomen adds on the start banner leads me to believe this is from Sweden, and what he's saying is nei, nei, nei, nei, nei. Or translated to english : no, no, no, no, no
Someone was asking about what he was saying. I watched it a couple of times, and think it's just a primal, non-articulated, babbling of, "Oh f**k, I'm going to die!
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Seeing the yellow/black Mekonomen adds on the start banner leads me to believe this is from Sweden, and what he's saying is nei, nei, nei, nei, nei. Or translated to english : no, no, no, no, no
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Re: Ouch (Knestis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Knestis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Let's review why this...
...is a really good idea. Barasaurus Doorimus compliments of the Metalworker.
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I was just about to be a smartass and point out a bunch of design flaws in Walt's cage. Then I realized that someone would probably not get it and argue with me about it, or even worse... Agree with me.
So what I'll say is this.
Adam had a good cage in his previous car. It took a hard hit and did its job as Adam walked away from a totalled car with a few bruises and a bloody tongue.
Then Adam went and had even MORE cage put in his next car (above). Thats a whole lotta work and a whole lotta added weight you're looking at, and from a purely technical standpoint its probably overkill in a 2140lb car. That cage would likely work in a 3000 pounder (or more).
Now, why would Adam do such a thing?
Hmmmm... Why?
Scott, who'll never again drive more than a touring pace without a custom cage and protruding door bars (mine are built like an A-Frame into the door cavity. Not a single bend in them).
...is a really good idea. Barasaurus Doorimus compliments of the Metalworker.
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I was just about to be a smartass and point out a bunch of design flaws in Walt's cage. Then I realized that someone would probably not get it and argue with me about it, or even worse... Agree with me.
So what I'll say is this.
Adam had a good cage in his previous car. It took a hard hit and did its job as Adam walked away from a totalled car with a few bruises and a bloody tongue.
Then Adam went and had even MORE cage put in his next car (above). Thats a whole lotta work and a whole lotta added weight you're looking at, and from a purely technical standpoint its probably overkill in a 2140lb car. That cage would likely work in a 3000 pounder (or more).
Now, why would Adam do such a thing?
Hmmmm... Why?
Scott, who'll never again drive more than a touring pace without a custom cage and protruding door bars (mine are built like an A-Frame into the door cavity. Not a single bend in them).
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Re: Ouch (Catch 22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">....and a whole lotta added weight you're looking at, and from a purely technical standpoint its probably overkill in a 2140lb car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't see a lot of added weight in that cage. It's just well thought out and nicely braced. Those boxed gussets don't weigh much and the gusset tubes are about a pound each. There's maybe 12 - 15 lbs of 'overkill' in that cage, Weight well spent IMO.
I don't see a lot of added weight in that cage. It's just well thought out and nicely braced. Those boxed gussets don't weigh much and the gusset tubes are about a pound each. There's maybe 12 - 15 lbs of 'overkill' in that cage, Weight well spent IMO.
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Re: Ouch (Track rat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't see a lot of added weight in that cage. It's just well thought out and nicely braced. Those boxed gussets don't weigh much and the gusset tubes are about a pound each. There's maybe 12 - 15 lbs of 'overkill' in that cage, Weight well spent IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you are right about the weight Allan. The image doesn't show an additional tube that comes down at about a 60° from the A-pillar bar to the door bars (the secret pimpy undocumented photo - kept hidden until the reveal <g>
. I *think* the biggest gussets were 2.5ish lbs. and there were 7 in total. The additional roof bar, gusset tubes and doubled up forward tubes probably all in all are not a huge weight penalty but assuredly they add up to more than without (duh! ). Perhaps Metalman can give a better estimate of the weight gain, whatever it is, I got NOOOO problem with it whatsoever!!!
I don't see a lot of added weight in that cage. It's just well thought out and nicely braced. Those boxed gussets don't weigh much and the gusset tubes are about a pound each. There's maybe 12 - 15 lbs of 'overkill' in that cage, Weight well spent IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you are right about the weight Allan. The image doesn't show an additional tube that comes down at about a 60° from the A-pillar bar to the door bars (the secret pimpy undocumented photo - kept hidden until the reveal <g>
. I *think* the biggest gussets were 2.5ish lbs. and there were 7 in total. The additional roof bar, gusset tubes and doubled up forward tubes probably all in all are not a huge weight penalty but assuredly they add up to more than without (duh! ). Perhaps Metalman can give a better estimate of the weight gain, whatever it is, I got NOOOO problem with it whatsoever!!!
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Re: Ouch (phat-S)
You've applied what was learned since Turn #1 at Road Atlanta. You'll continue to wear a head restraint, got a nice stout cage in the new car...so what do you do about that tongue bite? Wear a boxer's mouth piece? har har 
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Re: Ouch (Track rat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You've applied what was learned since Turn #1 at Road Atlanta. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, it would be kinda unfair to say I am doing the applying in this case - that's Sir Walter doing the applying on the cage and tube placement and such. I don't think anyone wants me building them a cage from what I learned LOL. I just told him I didn't want to slow down so I wanted something that would make me feel safe enough to not have to.
But yeah, I am sure the mouthpiece is said somewhat tongue in cheek <g>, but the one thing that I really came out of the whole thing with is a desire to safety wire stuff that can go flying around the car and probably have a whole new appreciation for how much body parts can flail. I have no idea how to do it properly but I would really like to have the next mirror (wink or otherwise) safety wired/safety strapped to something solid (and anything else that can so easily become a projectile by force breaking it loose - this case the ends jush snapped off - mounts were still attached to the cage) on both ends. Believe me, watching something that sizeable become fully mobile when you and nothing else are not is a scarry sight. I thought the little digital display on this guy's dash would do the same but I guess it has very little mass???
On the mouthpiece, I think suffice to say I just need to keep my big mouth shut G-d forbid next time this happens
although I wasn't saying anything that I was aware of.
Actually, it would be kinda unfair to say I am doing the applying in this case - that's Sir Walter doing the applying on the cage and tube placement and such. I don't think anyone wants me building them a cage from what I learned LOL. I just told him I didn't want to slow down so I wanted something that would make me feel safe enough to not have to.
But yeah, I am sure the mouthpiece is said somewhat tongue in cheek <g>, but the one thing that I really came out of the whole thing with is a desire to safety wire stuff that can go flying around the car and probably have a whole new appreciation for how much body parts can flail. I have no idea how to do it properly but I would really like to have the next mirror (wink or otherwise) safety wired/safety strapped to something solid (and anything else that can so easily become a projectile by force breaking it loose - this case the ends jush snapped off - mounts were still attached to the cage) on both ends. Believe me, watching something that sizeable become fully mobile when you and nothing else are not is a scarry sight. I thought the little digital display on this guy's dash would do the same but I guess it has very little mass???
On the mouthpiece, I think suffice to say I just need to keep my big mouth shut G-d forbid next time this happens
although I wasn't saying anything that I was aware of.
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Re: Ouch (phat-S)
[QUOTE=phat-S]But yeah, I am sure the mouthpiece is said somewhat tongue in cheek <g>, [QUOTE]
It was.
Racers should pay attention and learn from other's experiences in racing crashes. Fingers broken by the steering wheel on impact, tongue bites, equipment becoming harmful projectiles in the cockpit...things you might not expect.
Many NASCAR cockpits now include a padded divider between the knees to prevent them from smacking together during a wall strike.
I'm ever curious to hear firsthand accounts and look at crashed race cars to try to learn something. The lessons learned are put into practice in my car .
It was.
Racers should pay attention and learn from other's experiences in racing crashes. Fingers broken by the steering wheel on impact, tongue bites, equipment becoming harmful projectiles in the cockpit...things you might not expect.
Many NASCAR cockpits now include a padded divider between the knees to prevent them from smacking together during a wall strike.
I'm ever curious to hear firsthand accounts and look at crashed race cars to try to learn something. The lessons learned are put into practice in my car
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Re: Ouch (NinetyTwoHB)
I realize that this cage is probably only about 20ish pounds heavier than the old one. My comment was kind of pointed at people (and they are out there, a few on this board) who run the minimum cage required by the rules in order to save weight.
The cage isn't where you want to save it.
And I know its been mentioned before, but once again its something all you DE guys need to consider... Adam's incident was in a RACE car, but it was a single car incident. An incident no different than one might have really testing the limits in a DE. He had a full custom cage, race seat, 5 point harness, and an Isaac device and the hit still shook him up pretty good.
I don't even want to think about that same hit with no cage, stock belts, and no H/N restraint. At the very least he would have gotten a helicopter ride strapped to a gurney.
I started SoloI the same year I started DE, so I have exactly one event as a driver without a roll bar and belts at a minimum. But I have instructed too many times in cars without proper equipment, and I won't be doing it anymore. Its just too damned risky and not worth it. It was easy to do when I was young and dumb, but I've just seen too much **** happen to do it now.
The cage isn't where you want to save it.
And I know its been mentioned before, but once again its something all you DE guys need to consider... Adam's incident was in a RACE car, but it was a single car incident. An incident no different than one might have really testing the limits in a DE. He had a full custom cage, race seat, 5 point harness, and an Isaac device and the hit still shook him up pretty good.
I don't even want to think about that same hit with no cage, stock belts, and no H/N restraint. At the very least he would have gotten a helicopter ride strapped to a gurney.
I started SoloI the same year I started DE, so I have exactly one event as a driver without a roll bar and belts at a minimum. But I have instructed too many times in cars without proper equipment, and I won't be doing it anymore. Its just too damned risky and not worth it. It was easy to do when I was young and dumb, but I've just seen too much **** happen to do it now.
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Re: Ouch (Catch 22)
It is interesting that you guys bring up weight. I am one of those wierdos that believes in building cars as light as possible, and then putting the weight where I want it. I try not to put to many tubes in a car. I don't do petty bars, double diagonals, or put in extra stiffeners where the chassis is good enough and crash protection isn't an issue. The door bars ( not including the gussets) use basically the same amount of tube as the typical parallel door bar arrangement. As far as the gussets, Adam wanted them for the strentgh and the pimp factor ( they are cool you know).I didn't because I wanted the car light. We argued back and forth (imagine that with Adam) and finally put them on a scale. Damn they were light, I had to eat a little crow. If I can keep Adam from adding much more pimpy stuff, I guessing that the new car will be about thirty pounds lighter than the old one.
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Re: Ouch
Speculating on contributing factors: Maybe I missed someone else saying it, but it looks to me like the rear end might have gotten light as he came over a little bit of a crest.. then to top it off, it doesn't sound like he was powering out of it.. if it really was a civic, then a stiff rear bar combined with a light rear end with a touch of engine braking in the rain might add up to that..
majorly painful to watch.. hope the guy's ok... engine didn't sount happy afterwards..
majorly painful to watch.. hope the guy's ok... engine didn't sount happy afterwards..
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Re: Ouch (Catch 22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't even want to think about that same hit with no cage, stock belts, and no H/N restraint. At the very least he would have gotten a helicopter ride strapped to a gurney.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey Adam, glad to hear you are okay. Out of curiousity, do you think that the H/N restraint was the difference between walking away and a major injury? In other words, if you had all of the safety equipment *other* than the H/N restraint, do you think it would have been a lot worse?
Matt
Hey Adam, glad to hear you are okay. Out of curiousity, do you think that the H/N restraint was the difference between walking away and a major injury? In other words, if you had all of the safety equipment *other* than the H/N restraint, do you think it would have been a lot worse?
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Re: Ouch (speedracer33)
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Out of curiousity, do you think that the H/N restraint was the difference between walking away and a major injury? In other words, if you had all of the safety equipment *other* than the H/N restraint, do you think it would have been a lot worse?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just specualting on this..but its probably almost impossible to tell from a drivers perspective on the h/n restraint...
I asked Lyonel after his first run in w/ a wall wearing his HANS a similar question (although nothing nearly as bad as Adam's issue, an incident none-the-less) he really couldn't say... its almost impossible unless you were to relive the same incident minus the device...theres so many factors...
For us though... (please nobody start another Hans vs Isaacs squabble) the pricing of the Hans have gone down. Get whatever brand you want- but get something....
Lyonel needed a new helmet & I wanted him in a Hans...we ordered them both direct from HANS (you get a discount on helmets if you order a new one w/ the device- they carry several brands & can get more than they list on their site)...
We got a New Simpson Voyager Sidewinder helmet (in black) with the mounts installed by them and the device- & a carry pouch shipped to us for a grand total of $1200 for everything: helmet+device+shipping
Yes its still expensive...but I figured I'd rather have Lyonel around to help me payoff that Visa bill..the bill was much less than the value of Lyonel to me....
H/N restraints are becoming "affordable"....
there are a million "tests" & "research" showing why you should have one.....
why wait until you or someone you know is seriously injured or killed before you decide your life is worth more than the price of a device?
Danielle
Out of curiousity, do you think that the H/N restraint was the difference between walking away and a major injury? In other words, if you had all of the safety equipment *other* than the H/N restraint, do you think it would have been a lot worse?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just specualting on this..but its probably almost impossible to tell from a drivers perspective on the h/n restraint...
I asked Lyonel after his first run in w/ a wall wearing his HANS a similar question (although nothing nearly as bad as Adam's issue, an incident none-the-less) he really couldn't say... its almost impossible unless you were to relive the same incident minus the device...theres so many factors...
For us though... (please nobody start another Hans vs Isaacs squabble) the pricing of the Hans have gone down. Get whatever brand you want- but get something....
Lyonel needed a new helmet & I wanted him in a Hans...we ordered them both direct from HANS (you get a discount on helmets if you order a new one w/ the device- they carry several brands & can get more than they list on their site)...
We got a New Simpson Voyager Sidewinder helmet (in black) with the mounts installed by them and the device- & a carry pouch shipped to us for a grand total of $1200 for everything: helmet+device+shipping
Yes its still expensive...but I figured I'd rather have Lyonel around to help me payoff that Visa bill..the bill was much less than the value of Lyonel to me....
H/N restraints are becoming "affordable"....
there are a million "tests" & "research" showing why you should have one.....
why wait until you or someone you know is seriously injured or killed before you decide your life is worth more than the price of a device?
Danielle
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Re: Ouch (Lyonel 13H4)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lyonel 13H4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H/N restraints are becoming "affordable"....
there are a million "tests" & "research" showing why you should have one.....
why wait until you or someone you know is seriously injured or killed before you decide your life is worth more than the price of a device?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Because my current helmet isn't HANs friendly. With the SA05 helmets coming out later this year I was going to wait until I could buy a new helmet to the highest safety standard, and then do either the HANS or Isaac with the new helmet.
there are a million "tests" & "research" showing why you should have one.....
why wait until you or someone you know is seriously injured or killed before you decide your life is worth more than the price of a device?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Because my current helmet isn't HANs friendly. With the SA05 helmets coming out later this year I was going to wait until I could buy a new helmet to the highest safety standard, and then do either the HANS or Isaac with the new helmet.
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Re: Ouch (speedracer33)
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Because my current helmet isn't HANs friendly. With the SA05 helmets coming out later this year I was going to wait until I could buy a new helmet to the highest safety standard, and then do either the HANS or Isaac with the new helmet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wasn't trying to "single you out" just made comment in general- everyone asks lots of questions to those w/ h/n restraints about "did it help?"...but not so many are actually getting one..
wise move though....we were going to wait for SA05 but Lyonel really needed a new one (just plain worn out insides) at the time we got ours (last summer)...
I'd really like to see everyone have one...(now that they're about the price of a set of race tires)... whether it be HANS or Isaac or whatever... its my personal soap box issue for the moment...
Because my current helmet isn't HANs friendly. With the SA05 helmets coming out later this year I was going to wait until I could buy a new helmet to the highest safety standard, and then do either the HANS or Isaac with the new helmet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wasn't trying to "single you out" just made comment in general- everyone asks lots of questions to those w/ h/n restraints about "did it help?"...but not so many are actually getting one..
wise move though....we were going to wait for SA05 but Lyonel really needed a new one (just plain worn out insides) at the time we got ours (last summer)...
I'd really like to see everyone have one...(now that they're about the price of a set of race tires)... whether it be HANS or Isaac or whatever... its my personal soap box issue for the moment...