Alright I have searched for about an hour and am still unsure of the answer to my question. I have a 94 integra rs model. So from what I have read while searching is that I can swap the engine as long as that engine was offered that model year. So I should be able to swap a gsr into the rs without having to move up to the mod division?

Sorry again, I tried to search but I am still unsure of the correct answer. Thanks

 

For what activity are you talking about?

If SCCA autocrossing, no. The two models are listed on different lines, and so cannot have parts (including engines) swapped between the two. If you swapped everything over that is different between the GSR and RS you could run in the GSR's class, but not the RS' class.

 

This is the question I was really getting at, sorry for being rather vague the first time around.

Yes, SCCA autocrossing. So if I did swap the motor, I believe thatt would put me in DSP? In reading the SCCA rules 2010 in the street prepared, you are allowed to interchange parts between all integras 94-01 (including type r)?

Thank you for the response.

 

If you swapped the motor you could run in DSP or GS (with ALL the GSR stuff; trans, ECU, interior, etc). The overall level of prep and allowable modifications is very different between the two classes.

Have you already swapped the motor?

 

No, I was just considering it. I am really trying to talk a buddy of mine into letting me buy his type r. I have already have a dd (forester), so I am looking for a fun street/auto x car.

 

Unless you're very serious about class competitiveness, just make the car fun how you want it, and throw yourself in whatever class it happens to be in. No point in being serious about the classing if you're not going to be serious about the competition.

 

That's part of the problem, I am very competitive. So like anything else I know it will take some time, but I guess the next question is what cars are generally competitive within lower stock or stx classes? (ie what are the best cars to start with). Miata....etc??? I don't want to get into serious modifications to start with as I've heard its very tough. I plan on picking up a few books about solo to read in the mean time. Thanks again

 

just put a type r engine in the rs and run SMF. that'll rule out any protest for DSP (which you'll probably see) and GS (which you'll definitely see).

if you look at last years National Championships you can figure out what car is good for what.

ST- 89 civic hatch
CSP- Miata
STX- Evo/STi
DS- integra type r
HS- mini cooper
SM-Evo
SSM- RX7

that's for the class's that as far as i can remember haven't changed much since last year. so fruit for thought.

 

Let me expand on your list in case anyone else wants to know. I left out some of the high end car classes.

D stock
Integra Type R

E stock
Miata or mr2

G stock
Mini cooper S

H stock
Mini cooper

Street touring
89 civic si

STS
Honda Crx or Miata

STX
BMW M3 or Subaru WRX

STU
EVO or STI

D prepared
Subaru impreza (pre 2002) or 90s BMW 325I

E prepared
Subaru WRX

F prepared
Honda Civics

Street Modified
EVO, STI, M3

SM FWD
Civics

SSM
RX-7

This is just a general guideline to the 2009 champions in some of the SCCA solo classes. Hope this helps someone else.

Thanks

 

Alright, hang on. Before you get too deep into this you need to evaluate your goals. Are you looking to improve yourself as a driver, go after a regional championship, or just have fun?

Second, what is your budget? The cars you listed as winning at Nationals cover a huge range of price. I'd love to compete in an Elise or C6 Z51 in AS, but its not realistic.

 

An STS EF is a really fun car to drive and relatively cheap to build. If you plan to be competitive without breaking the bank. I would recommend looking into that route.

 

Well my thinking is to start off improving myself as a driver since I haven't autox'ed before. Then possibly going to Stock D with a Type R or STX with a WRX. I've driven an integra (I have had many..NA/turbo, etc) for about 10 years and owned a WRX for 2 years so thats were I would be most comfortable.

This would be a hobby, meaning I will put some money into it but at this point though I don't want to brake the bank. I mainly would like eventually be competitive, but don't necessarily think at this point I can say whether I think I could try to compete on a regional or national basis.

I'm trying to take this year to learn and see how my driving progresses.

 

If you have an idea of the class you'd like to go in, get that car and just drive the hell out of it. Keep modifications minimal/nonexistant beyond tires.

 

Generally to have a competitive car, driver aside, you will be spending a bit of money on prep past sts type classes. So get some time in and then go from there figuring out a class, ect. Honestly stock cars are sometimes the most fun. Just throw a nice set of tires on your stocker wheels and go at! Careful though, its addicting...

 

Better check that, the Subaru WRX is not even eligible for EP class, however the Integra is eligible for EP.

 

Is that a 2010 class change? I know a lot of cars got moved around this year.

 

All teg's from 94-01 are on the same line in DSP. So, you could swap an ITR motor/trans into your RS teg and be legal in DSP. I didn't go that route, choosing instead to start with a 98 ITR and build it for DSP. It's a good car for the class, and quite fun to drive. If you've already got an RS and can get a swap on the cheap, then that may be cheaper then buying a different car to build for a class. If you're just starting out in Solo though, it's a good idea to just drive what you have until you get decent as a driver and know where you want to be long term. Regardless, there is a huge price gap between regionally competitive and nationally competitive. It's not uncommon for my car to be in the top 3 on raw times for street legal cars at regional events. Nationally, I'm happy if I'm within the top 5 in my class, forget about raw times compared to the rest of the classes.

BTW, buying an ITR, starting in DS, moving to STX, and then finally DSP isn't a bad way to have a competitive car in each class and not have a huge cash outlay in the first year for a competitive car.

 

Ok, I thought I would be able to run in DSP. Would I have to find a usdm type-r swap or could it be jdm? I wasn't sure if that would disqualify me from DSP?

Thanks

 

After reading the first paragraph of the SCCA manual under the street prepared category is looks like it would have to be usdm. Those are not easy to come bye.

 

So i could put a b16a into my 96 Hatchback and call it an Si?
I had an ej8 swapped with a b16 and I was under the impression that it bumped me out of DSP- or so I was vehemently told by the race organizer for the day. Have the rules changed on that?

 

i think it still has to be in a coupe (don't quote me).

 

With AutoX you really have to pick your battle smart up front as in, if you want to be competitive, buy or build the most competitive car(s) for the class.

If you are going to spend a lot of money on mods (DSP or STX) make sure you are modifying a car you really like!! I'd rather have a Type R than build a RS but the finances allways are key.. . HAVE A BUDGET!

AutoX has a descent sized learning curve to become even regionally competitive even if your car is modded to the max of the rules. Local comp is what it is and you should focus more so on PAX time/score compared to the top 10 drivers there (not fast "looking" cars)

 

Nope. They are classed on different lines. The EM1 Si is listed as DSP ('99-00), and the EJ8 is listed in FSP (Civic (non-Si) (1996-2000)).

 

Stinky, was my assumption accurate about jdm parts for classing? I can't swap at jdm transmission say into my car and stay in dsp?