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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 08:38 PM
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I have a 91 civic std hatch. I have read the section of authorized modifications allowable for sts class several times. My question involves this paragraph:
A. Equipment and/or specifications may be exchanged between different years and models of a vehicle if:
(1) the item is standard on the year/model from which it was taken,
(2) the years/models are listed on the same line of Appendix A (Street Prepared Classes)
The updated/backdated part or the part to which it is to be attached may not be altered, modified, machined, or otherwise changed to facilitate the updating/backdating allowance. The updating and/or backdating of engines, transmissions, or transaxles must be done as a complete unit as available from the factory, including those items required by emissions regulations for a particular configuration. Example: the Neon throttle body used on automatic transmission cars cannot be used on a manual transmission car. Component parts of these units may not be interchanged. Cars not listed in the Street Prepared sections of Appendix A may not be updated/backdated until approved by the SEB and published in SportsCar magazine.

Now this brings up a very important issue for me. My current motor is a 1.5l dpfi w/ 4spd tranny. It is burning oil badly, and I need to replace it. Can i swap in a motor/tranny/ecu from the same gen civic si? Does this allow jdm models? I'm reffering directly to the sohc or dohc ZC motors. By the way my car & the si are listed on the same line of appendix A.
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Old Jul 16, 2004 | 08:49 PM
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Default Re: Auto-x Classification Question (carracr625)

That update/backdate clause no longer applies to STS, some would say specifically so that the car you would end up with would not be legal.
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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I have to put a new motor in my car, due to the condition of my current one. So, would it be worth waiting to put a more powerful b series in it? What class would a swap put me in?

Also, another question, are carbon fiber hoods legal/what class?

I have been checking out the rules listed http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/...are these up to date?
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 10:17 PM
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Default Re: Auto-x Classification Question (carracr625)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carracr625 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to put a new motor in my car, due to the condition of my current one. So, would it be worth waiting to put a more powerful b series in it? What class would a swap put me in?

Also, another question, are carbon fiber hoods legal/what class?

I have been checking out the rules listed http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/...are these up to date?</TD></TR></TABLE>

As long as you haven't gutted the car, the B-motor or any Honda/Acura engine swap would put you into Street Modified (SM). So would the CF hood.

Jerry Moutons site is probably only 100% accurate to 2002 rules. He's tried to update the major 2003/2004 changes but doesn't have everything like the elimination of the STS update/backdate rule to prevent the dreaded "FrankenCivic". FYI, when it was legal you could only update to USDM Si engine/drivetrain (no JDM ZC, etc.)

You should get a 2004 rulebook and also check SCCA's mainsite for the 2004 Fastrack additions since some things have changed since its publication.
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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Default Re: Auto-x Classification Question (carracr625)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carracr625 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to put a new motor in my car, due to the condition of my current one. So, would it be worth waiting to put a more powerful b series in it? What class would a swap put me in?

Also, another question, are carbon fiber hoods legal/what class?

I have been checking out the rules listed http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/...are these up to date?</TD></TR></TABLE>

an engine swap would put you into SM, and i believe CF hoods are first legal in SM.

the moutons site is 1 year old.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 05:41 PM
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Thanks guys, you've been a big help.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 07:14 PM
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If you put in a USDM SI motor it can still be legal in CSP.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 05:08 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XrcR6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You should get a 2004 rulebook and also check SCCA's mainsite for the 2004 Fastrack additions since some things have changed since its publication.</TD></TR></TABLE>


http://www.sccaclothing.com/cg...tions

Not that I necesarily agree with the SCCA not publishing online like NASA, but it's better to spend a few bucks now and know you're right, then to spend the time and money on an engine transplant only to find out you are illegal.

-dave, who 5 years ago, lowered his CRX and found himself in CSP.
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