So I've entertained the thought of adding more steering angle to my EK civic, mainly to asses the results on an FF platform, and for possible implementation into say a rally spec civic if I ever get into that sort of thing in the future

In order to increase the the steering angle, I plan to add spacers between my inner tie rod ends, and the steering rack itself.

I did some research and apparently the rack side of our inner tie rods have a thread pitch of M14-1.5.... the same thread pitch as an early 80's Corolla GTS.

Since those cars are well known for drifting, there's a market for tie rod spacers that increase steering angles, such as these....

Thread in style



Slip on Style


The results are pretty impressive...

90-96 300ZX. This is stock, full lock:


This is with (1) slip on spacer per side:


And with (1) slip on spacer and (1) thread in spacer:


( Pics and descriptions compliments of a popular Nissan forum )

URAS's "Steering Up" Toyota slip on spacer kit should fit early model Hondas, and so should AJPS's thread in "Extra Lock Spacers".

Does anyone have any input or concerns in attempting something like this on our cars?

My biggest worries are running minimal thread on the inner tie rods when using the slip on spacers, and running out of thread on the outer tie rods since the inners will need to be threaded further into my outer tie rods...

Looking forward to your thoughts...

 

My initial concern would be how the driveshaft would handle extra lock?

Obviously not a problem on RWD cars, but I would be wary on a FWD.

 

If you're doing it for rally, you're doing it wrong. Us rally guys actually look at ways to TAKE AWAY steering angle. Adding steering angle is for the RWD drift guys since they're meant to go super sideways and have no CV joints on the front wheels. You'll be putting too much stress on an already stressed CV joint and will definitly see more failures in that department.

What do you need a high steering for? Or are you doing this just to see what will happen?

 

I also want to know why you see a need for this.

 

Interesting but I dont see the need for it personally, and as said above, it may over stress the CV joint...

 

Needs to Tokyo drift the highway on ramps?

I mean really, there is no need for this. You won't ever get to full lock on a track. In rally you don't need extreme lock like this, that's what we have a hand-brake for.

 

Drifters use these often

 

That makes perfect sense

Speaking of drifting............ I think its played out.
Was at the long beach grand prix this weekend. People werent sticking around like they used to in years past.
I guess the smell of burning rubber is getting old.

 

Lots of people are not sticking around many events besides drifting, I think it is the age in which we live.

25yrs ago we had Regan, Johnny cash and Bob hope.... today we have Obama, no cash and no hope.

 

LOL. Well said man.

 

The respect I had for you has now disappeared by the monumental amount of idiocy displayed above.
Love when people post their moronic political viewpoints in a thread, let alone forum, that has nothing to do with politics. Stick to cars and tech.

Not sure what the benefit of having more steering angle would be other than drifting. But, I'm open to seeing the benefits...

 

There isn't any other benefit than drifting, and even more so only in a RWD car. If he thought it was for rally, it's not, as the CV loads will cause even more failures than teams already see.

 

Aint that the truth!
Everyone but those who deserve it get bailed out too.

 

I think drifting is Fad'ish. It will grow and most likely stick around but I think non-racing fans that become fans of drifting will cause a bleed over effect for fans of racing. But then again... maybe not. I don't think Olympic couples Ice Dancing has created any more Hockey fans so I could be totally wrong about the Drifting.

Also, you spelled Reagan wrong and your Sarah Palin-esque views of the world belong here:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/politics-76/

 

Instead of adding steering angle I would be much more interested in getting a more direct steering than the original EK steering has..

 

I agree!

 

Or, a modification that would actually help improve performance such as a quicker steering rack from a company like Quaife. If you need more steering angle from your FWD car, then you might want to cure that nasty oversteer first.

 

We may not need increased ackerman for most of our cars, but it is related to toe and a good bit of steering info to know about I feel. I liked this little article.

http://www.rctek.com/technical/handl...principle.html

 

As mentioned before I can't see how adding these spacers would benefit you in a rally application. If you have the wheels turned to the stock "full lock" position you're either in a parking lot dodging shopping carts or out of control of the car at which point a little extra turn angle probably isn't going to help. Not to mention how horrible the bump steer would be with those on the front. I mean the theory is cool to play with but I can't imagine it benefiting a rally or road racing application for that matter.

Edit:
All as a side note there are two ways in increase your steering ratio in an EK
1) swap the 94-01 Integra pinion into your stock EK steering rack (18:1 stock to 16.1:1) which isn't terribly exciting
2) install a steering quickener at either 1.5:1 (13.5:1 from stock) or 2:1 (9:1 from stock)

If you're curious about which way to go
1) drive an Integra and evaluate
2) drive a 06-11 Civic (which are 13.8ish:1)

Personally I swapped the Integra pinion into my EK rack but if I had to do it over again I think I would have opted for the 1.5:1 steering quickener, especially for rally use.

 

But as far as I am informed there is only an EG application available from Quaife and none for the EK?

Only possible solution I found was using parts of the DC2 steering, but there has to be a better solution to it..

 

Have we figured out WHY he wants more steering angle yet? I can't see a reason.

 

Because parking lot.

 

Yah, this

Steering Quickener 1.5:1



The trick is installing it, have to make sure it's done right to avoid Aryton Senna action.

 

Or he hasn't figured out how to adjust the rear toe?

 

Or this (ignore the VW logo, was just my buddy who welded the shafts together for me).

This is what I use on my Civic rally car. Coleman 1.5:1 low profile quickener.