JonnyDBlaze

Hey, I have a newly acquired 1994 Civic DX Sedan.
I want to perform an engine swap on it, but I am having trouble deciding between the H22A lude engine without an LSD, or a B18C Type R withthe LSD.

I am wary of the H22A because I have heard that the way the engine leans differently from the Civic engines can cause some understeer under hard cornering. Also, there is the fact that you'll need some kind of 3rd party swap kit to do it properly.

The H22A is so much cheaper than the Type R that I still cant make my decision. Can anyone help me out by clearing me up about the H22A swap?

On a side note, can anyone give me some estimates as to what kind of performance I can expect with a sedan? All the figures I see are for hatchbacks lol

Thanks,

JonnyDBlaze

willyboyK20

I would only get the H22a if i was going to make a straight drag car. The drivablilty problems would be to much. If you are concerced about the lsd you can go with a b18c1 and get the lsd put into that tranny or just use the b18c5 tranny. Unless your going to make a race car or don't car about how your car drives don't get the H22a

Newman

H22A.... B18C (IMO) is too overated and way too much for what you get. People always say this or that about the drivability of a H22A Civic, but how many of them have actually driven a H22 Civic? They always reply with the same classic answers. But then you gotta know what you're doing (or pay big bucks) when you throw the H22 in.

I'm throwing in a H22 this weekend into my hatch (**** a turbo B20 setup ) cause I've driven one and I like it more. You can tune your suspension so that it drives just fine for everyday driving... not hard.

B18C5-EH2

Well, I have a 1998 USDM B18C5 in my 1992 Hatch, and I love it.

It drives perfect, and it uses STOCK mounts.

I've ridden in 2 H22A-powered civic now, and I can't say that either one impressed me.

I'M REALLY SORRY IF YOU'RE READING THIS ALEJANDRO, BUT WE BOTH KNOW THAT YOUR CAR SHOULD BE BETTER THAN 15.1, RIGHT?

The first one I rode in was a 1995 Civic Coupe with a 1995 H22A, and it rode like ****. He was on his 3rd set of axles, and he could NOT stop the wheels from bouncing.

The other one I rode in was a 1997 Coupe with a JDM H22A swap in it. The guy is super cool, and the car is running good -- it's NO hack job by any means. It just doesn't pull as good as you would think it would. It felt pretty good ride wise and handling, but then again I wasn't driving, and he wasn't pushing it in any turns.

He got a 15.1 out of it. the only code he's throwing is an EGR code, which would NOT affect the 1/4mi. times too much.

Sure there will be others coming on here talking about "you SHOULD run 13's with an H22A blah blah..." but what do they know? In THEORY it should run 13's, but THEORY and REAL WORLD are two totally different stories.

He's also breaking his timing belt-side drivers mount, and that's a $70 piece EVERY time.

Right now you can get a JDM OBDI H22A with HASport mounts SHIPPED from JDMHondaparts.com for only $3,400.

Gotta go...tell you more about the B18C5 swap later.




[Modified by B18C5-EG6, 5:54 PM 10/19/2001]

gsrvx

H22 and b18c5 in the same car....the h22 car is gonna win. TORQUE TORQUE TORQUE.

B18C5-EH2

TORQUE! TORQUE! TORQUE!

SPIN! SPIN! SPIN!

BREAK AXLES! BREAK AXLES! BREAK AXLES!

You're just like everybody else who buys the whole "bigger is better." theory.

What ever happened to variables like GEARING, TRACTION, HANDLING, DRIVABILITY, and WEIGHT?

I would love to race an equally-equipped Prelude-powered Hatch to see the truth. I'm in Georgia if anyone's interested.

How about SCCA auto-crossing, or actual ROAD racing? I do SCCA once a month, and I can tell you that a Prelude-powered Civic would NOT fare well REGUARDLESS of your sus set-up. Why? Add more weight up front on a front-driver and you'll see for yourself.

Yes the understeer issue on the H22A is blown out of proportion, but they do handle worse than the B-series Civics do.

I love it when someone just says that they know which car will win a race because one has more power than the other...

FUNNY stuff.

Do you realize that the gearing in the ITR trannies is very close? Guess not...

B18C5-EH2

Seriuosly though, you know what I would do if I were you?

Type R swap: $5,500-$6,500 (parts only)

GS-R swap: $3,000-$3,500 (parts only)

I had a GS-R swap before my Type R swap, and the difference is NOT worth $3,000. TRUST ME. I only paid $4,000 for the WHOLE Type R wrecked car, so I didn't get ripped or anything, but seriuosly the Type R motors are pretty over-rated.

Build a GS-R motor for cheaper and SMOKE a Type R.

You'll have $3,000 to play with. J/R superchargers are going for around $2,700 now, so there's an option.

From someone who has had both, trust me: build a GS-R. CHEAPER, could be FASTER.

Variance-EJ-6

Gotta Agree with B18C5-EG6, The H22A Civic is not that impressive of a vehicle, too much weight up in the front, broken axles, unstable at high speeds, unstable on the freeway, and to much weight up in the front...If you were going with a All track Car, then make it a H22A, because in the Longrun the H22A will be better performance, and it does Lack MAJOR torque in the first 2 gears,

Go with a B18C1 or a B18B/B18C1/C5 head. LS/VTEC, If your considering all the money and time you were going to put into that H22A to make it fit, then try the LS/VTEC you wont be sorry, I've ridden in dozens of em, and the ones that were done correctly Will beat a Type-R anyday.....

The C1 is a great car to start with, and the mods to it is endless, in the end, Go with a C1, The C5 is overated and that engine isnt all that....

Thats my opinion

guchiew

would you guys say the same about a B20 Swap into an EG? I was planning to do this with a turbo setup.


[Modified by guchiew, 3:18 AM 10/20/2001]

Variance-EJ-6

I love the LS motors, the B20 is basically a bored out 1.8, only difference is the pistons and the bore size, other than that, the cams, internals, drivetrain pretty much the same...

Go CRV/VTEC or B20 Turbo, you wont be dissapointed....go CRV/VTEC and Turbo, and I guarantee you will beat 99.99999999995 percent of people in your town, ... late

slowerthanu

overrated, I love my B18C5, I have never been beaten by a NA GSR and I beat B18C1 powered hatches on street tires.

gsrvx

Are the axles really that prone to breaking? Ok...when I was saying prelude motor...I'm assuming this will not be for a autoX car. B-Series would kill it. I was under the impression that the h22 swap, if done correctly, will be reliable.....i.e not lean in the wrong direction....not sit down lower than a b-series engine.

Honestly..i have never driven an h22 civic before...nor a b18c1/5 civic. I don't doubt the b series will handle better either. But I'm kinda in the same situation right now..i'm supposed to be buying a hatch soon and deciding which motor to go with.

I was actually at importbuilders last week....and was recommended going h22. Not by only the owner...but also the customers...and I've tried researching this alot. But I am open-minded. B18C5-EG6, you're probably right in regards to this topic....I'm really new to the performance thing...and am always trying to learn....if u can...help me out bro: If i go b18c1 in a 92 hatch....how easy will it be to get into 13s? That's my real goal. I was thinking of bolt ons, cams, vafc, some tuning probably. Cuz if the h22 is really a hassle....i don't think i'll go for it. Thanks in advance.

-Rod


[Modified by RK, 11:03 AM 10/20/2001]