F23 single cam vtec into EG?
 

anyone ever do this, i can get the swap out of my friends wrecked 98 CL. im geussing u use H22 mounts, anyone know?

keep this thread alive im also trying to gather information no this swao...as iam in the process myself...so far ive come up with a basic hh2 install...but im confused as to what axles to use ??and which hubs....can anyone shed somelight on this topic please..???

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (ChampWhiteTegra)
 

i'm about to do a f22a swap into my del sol. from what i've read, tho there is barely any info, you use h swap mounts.

you will need the 92-96 prelude rear tranny bracket (i dont think the accord will work w/the h mounts, but i could be wrong, this is something i need to know myself).

you can use the 90-93 accord int. shaft w/90-93 DA axles, tho you may need to swap the inner joint on the pass side axle for a prelude joint as it may pop out of the tranny.

you retain your stock hubs. you need the 90-93 accord shift cables w/shifter assembly and you'll have to cut the holes to accomodate them just like an h swap. you also, like an h swap, need to trim one of the ears on the pass side mount on the frame rail to clear the larger tranny.

i also hear that you either have to relocate the iacv sensor on the back of the intake manifold, or you have to relocate the brake cylinder thing on the firewall because otherwise the intake mani will hit it.

you most likely have to ditch a/c and ps unless you get a hasport a/c bracket or whoever else makes one.

also, the f23 is obd2, so you'd need to either get an obd1 f22 distrib or repin the obd2 distrib. and you also need the injector resistor to work with the accord injectors. i'm pretty sure you can run the p28 ecu as well.

of course some sensor wires may need to be lengthened to accomodate the new motor. and i also think that you need to have your exhaust shortened because the downpipe on the stock f23/f22 exhaust manifold is longer than the civic's, but i'm not 100% sure on this.

so if anyone has more info that would be great. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

wow excellent information.....im planning on swapping the f22....from my 91 exr.... will i have an issue with my tranny ?? im hearing the tranny needs to at least be from a 92 ??? also if it matters my donor vehicle is a canadian model...

Re: (The Stance)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Stance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow excellent information.....im planning on swapping the f22....from my 91 exr.... will i have an issue with my tranny ?? im hearing the tranny needs to at least be from a 92 ??? also if it matters my donor vehicle is a canadian model...</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm not sure on the tranny...i just purchased a 92 f22a1 from a local junkyard...it definitely was hydraulic clutch. i think that is all you would need to worry about...if the tranny is hydraulic or not. i'm not sure if they were cable pre-92, but i think they were all hydro.

i don't see any reason why the canadian model may be different. do you have the f22a6? that was in the american ex model. that is rated at slightly more hp due to in part a diff cam and dual stage intake mani (like the h23).

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (dlric)
 

I did this swap almost 3 years ago now, so bare with me.

I did the swap for a friend. It was a pieced together f23 swap (mostly '99-00 parts).

Use the same mount kit(we used hcp), shift linkage, and axle set-up you would with a normal h22 swap.

One difference on the f23 is the driver side mounting bracket(the part that bolts to the block is different than the h22 and f22), so the h22 mount kit did not line up. We ended up using a mounting bracket from an h22. If I remember right, 3 of the 4 holes line up. The 4th hole needs notched out to fit and then some of the upper bracket needs shaved off(once you hold the bracket up to the block, it is obvious how much needs taken off).

A few other problems:
The obd2B injectors no longer required a resistor box, but they also changed the size of them. And since we were gong to be running the motor off of a '95 accord ex ecu(which is meant to run the older size injectors), it wouldnt run right.
Another problem was with the IACV. The f23 uses a 3 wire, but the obd1 ecu that we were using only used a 2 wire. And I dont think the older IACVs bolted to the new manifold.
Anyway, we ended up, just throwing a '96 complete manifold on the motor and wired in a resistor box.
Problems solved. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

If I remember right, everything else went exactly like an h22 swap.

The car was torquey as hell and a blast to drive!
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Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (Slopoke)
 

thanks man for the info, you rock. it seems like no one has done this swap. looking at the pic, it looks like one of the sensors almost rubs that brake cylinder thing on the firewall...it looks like you managed to get it to fit w/o having to modify it...right on.

one of the reasons i chose to do the f22a is because it's already obd1, so i'm ...hoping... that that will decrease some of the problems.

do you remmeber...i know this was 3 yrs ago...the axle setup you used?

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Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (dlric)
 

Yeah we had to move the fuel filter and push some of the brake lines out of the way.

We used a accord 5spd intermediate shaft and '90-'93 integra axles.
It worked out good.

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (Slopoke)
 

sweet, that is the axle setup that i'm going to use. ok, so i am going to have to move some of the brake lines. hmm. that should be interesting. thanks for the info https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (dlric)
 

Use an F23 with H22 head and RSX pistons....... killer combo!!!!!!

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (fastwanabe)
 

the motor im using is an f22a4 not sure what its rated at ....im also planning on turbocharging it if i can find the space....im having a ramhorn made up for it to mate with my mk3 ct26......i remember reading that the inner portion of the drive shaft on the passenger side had to be from a 92-96 prelude ??? apparently the da passenger shaft may fall out or something like that....

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (The Stance)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Stance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i remember reading that the inner portion of the drive shaft on the passenger side had to be from a 92-96 prelude ??? apparently the da passenger shaft may fall out or something like that....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats only if your using a prelude intermediate shaft(male end).

If your're using an accord intermediate shaft(female end), the integra axles plug right in.

excellent news....this is going to be one fun swap.....can i eliminate the resistor box ??? the setup is obd-1

Re: (The Stance)
 

No, you need to use the resistor box, if you plan of using stock injectors.

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (ChampWhiteTegra)
 

so what exactly does this box do ?? im a bit confused as to why i cant eliminate it ....the only thing that comes to mind is a different spray patter from the injector...could i not solve this problem by using perhaps a d-series injector ??

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (The Stance)
 

The peak and hold injectors only use 6-8volts. You car is a 12volt system, so the resistor box uses resistance to remove some of the voltage going to your injectors.

You cannot use D series injectors. They are the wrong size. So are B series.
There are no stock honda injectors that are the correct size and saturated(use all 12 volts)

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (Slopoke)
 

ohhh alright thanks for the explanation it really helps explain things.....

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (The Stance)
 

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Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (Slopoke)
 

hmm this could def be a good thing... I may have to do this in the future.

forget he future ive already started....im droppn the f22 out tomorrow morning....gonna clean it up a little and what not...and today im preping my engine bay for the new motor.....im waiting for my h-series swap mounts from ETD racing here in canada...

Re: (The Stance)
 

i'm picking up my f22a tomorrow so will give an update when i put it in if anyone has interest. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (ChampWhiteTegra)
 

This has got to be the best help/imformation post I've seen in years on HT!

I've thought of this swap before when I owned a 93 hatch. Sounds to be cheap cause of the F series being as fought out for as much as a D series enigne.... dime a dozen.

Posting a reply to bump this post/topic. I'll definatley be checking back. I'm needing another car for just a trip to the P&R everyday. Considering a high mileage 92/95 civic sedan waiting for a cheaper daily driver swap.

Please post your project in progress and good luck!

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (D16Z6racing)
 

here's a quick update...a couple things have held off mounting the f22a in:

two holes on the '92 accord tranny i'm using need to be tapped...the h22a mount kit uses holes that are already tapped on the prelude tranny...this is for the tranny side mount.

2/3 bolts that bolt the rear tranny mount into the rear crossmember are not long enough to work with the new mount. they are tapered off on the ends, but i found a couple regular bolts that were long enough...i will use loctite to make sure they won't come out.

it looks like you definitely need the prelude rear tranny bracket to use with the new rear mount...it's $60 from honda...i'm trying to track one down locally for less...that has caused the swap to be delayed.

also, the 90-93 accord lx/dx models have the MAP sensor on the firewall, so i'm going to see if i can get a 94-97 accord TB because i'm pretty sure it has the MAP on it.

oh, also, the accord o2 sensor has a female connector on it, and the eg harness has a female connector...so i'm going to see if the eg o2 sensor will fit into the accord exhaust manifold.

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Modified by dlric at 4:26 PM 6/21/2006

f22/f23 to b https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif

Re: (dxcoupe.)
 

another small update:

engine still isn't in the damn car http://images.honda-tech.com/set1//smile/emcrook.gif because i can't seem to find a rear tranny prelude bracket anywhere, and i really don't want to pay $65 for a new one.

but...

it appears that the '92 f22a has an external ignition coil. however, the '90 f22a distributor that i have is actually internally coiled. so, i lucked out big time here. i thought i would have had to pull the internal coil out of a d15 distrib and try to fit it in the f22a distrib, but thankfully it doesn't appear that i have to do that.

also, the f22b does use a MAP sensor on the TB itself. however, the f22b throttle body does not bolt onto the f22a intake manifold...the mounting holes are completely different. so, i pulled the MAP sensor off the f22b TB and i'll just run a vacuum tube to it and mount it somewhere.

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Re: (dlric)
 

the accord rear tranny bracket worked with my h swap mounts...everywhere i read people said that you need to use the prelude rear bracket, but if you're using a 90-93 accord tranny that rear bracket should work https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (ChampWhiteTegra)
 

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Modified by BOMBCRU at 2:48 PM 7/18/2006

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (BOMBCRU)
 

nice, thanks for the info and posting your times.

the f22 intake mani actually fits w/o having to move the proportioning valve. you do need to relocate the fuel filter tho, as the air intake tube on the tb will hit.

i found that a 90-91 f22a distrib is internally coiled, so i'm hoping it will work. it plugs right into the obd1 del sol harness.

the 96 civic weighs 1822 lbs? that is the weight of my crx hf...must have been some serious lightening...

14.2@111 w/3.2 60's??? is your current setup still the f23 w/h23 trans?

awesome times https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (dlric)
 

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Modified by BOMBCRU at 2:49 PM 7/18/2006

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (BOMBCRU)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BOMBCRU &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice, thanks for the info and posting your times.
the f22 intake mani actually fits w/o having to move the proportioning valve. you do need to relocate the fuel filter tho, as the air intake tube on the tb will hit.
i found that a 90-91 f22a distrib is internally coiled, so i'm hoping it will work. it plugs right into the obd1 del sol harness.
the 96 civic weighs 1822 lbs? that is the weight of my crx hf...must have been some serious lightening...
14.2@111 w/3.2 60's??? is your current setup still the f23 w/h23 trans?

also with the f23 using f23 maps u will want to use the f23 thorttle body the tps is calibrated diff than a f22

ya that set up is in a 95 civic at 1822 it was gutted and panned

in 2002 i had a f23 in a 96 set up never timed it

i may be going to the track on the 30th for honda acura shootout
if money wise im ok i will go and have video hopefully breaking 11's stock motor</TD></TR></TABLE>


i dont believe one word you just said.. that motor is not that powerful for a stock motor.. i know cause i have one in my 95 civic coupe with a a shorter tranny then you do.. and it doesnt seem to run the speeds you listed above...


where's the proof??

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (hybridpatient95)
 

also to burst your bubble f23 motors dont have secondaries.. sorry buddy this isnt a h22or h23

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (hybridpatient95)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BOMBCRU &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice, thanks for the info and posting your times.
the f22 intake mani actually fits w/o having to move the proportioning valve. you do need to relocate the fuel filter tho, as the air intake tube on the tb will hit.
i found that a 90-91 f22a distrib is internally coiled, so i'm hoping it will work. it plugs right into the obd1 del sol harness.
the 96 civic weighs 1822 lbs? that is the weight of my crx hf...must have been some serious lightening...
14.2@111 w/3.2 60's??? is your current setup still the f23 w/h23 trans?

also with the f23 using f23 maps u will want to use the f23 thorttle body the tps is calibrated diff than a f22

ya that set up is in a 95 civic at 1822 it was gutted and panned

in 2002 i had a f23 in a 96 set up never timed it

i may be going to the track on the 30th for honda acura shootout
if money wise im ok i will go and have video hopefully breaking 11's stock motor</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa righttttttttttt............... the only way to get an f23 to run 11's stock would be to get custom mounts and axles and mount it on the back of a skateboard

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (hotimportcrx)
 

I aslo thought he was full of it till he said it weighed 1800lb.... 12's might be possible @ that weight.

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (hotimportcrx)
 

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Modified by BOMBCRU at 2:49 PM 7/18/2006

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (hotimportcrx)
 

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Modified by BOMBCRU at 2:49 PM 7/18/2006

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (fastwanabe)
 

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Modified by BOMBCRU at 2:48 PM 7/18/2006

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (BOMBCRU)
 

1) No i dont have the swap..I think its a waste of time
2) My friend has it with the shortest h22 tranny other then the euro r
3) 8500?!!?!?!? You cant rev that to 8500 and if u say your stock f23 pulls hard to 8500 your defiently lying....this thread is all b.s.

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (hotimportcrx)
 

the original intention of this thread was to provide information to ppl considering doing this swap...he had some info to contribute so just leave it at that.

anyone else with actual info welcome to post. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (dlric)
 

I need more info. Since im looking at doing this to my Del Sol also and turboing it.

Re: F23 single cam vtec into EG? (BOMBCRU)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BOMBCRU &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa righttttttttttt............... the only way to get an f23 to run 11's stock would be to get custom mounts and axles and mount it on the back of a skateboard """"

lets see here if car already runs low 12's then high 11's shouldnt be a issue with tuning now would it

and im guessing you have the same setup in your car so you would know exactly how fast it would go? its called a frankinstien
as far as i know theres under 20 people with f23 civics and most are using accord trannys which have very long gearing making them very slow, and more are running 17's or steelies,
i and running street legal drags using 110 race gas and timed forward 4. i launch at 5-6k very hard and car goes, soon as car hits vtec you know it cars ass drops and it pulls very very hard to 8500 rpm. call bullshit if you wish. car will be at honda acura shoot out on july 30th at quaker city raceway if you would like to go

if you want to flame do it somewhere else</TD></TR></TABLE>

there is no way a bone stock f23 motor can rev to 8500.. even when i dump the clutch at 4k and let the spin all the way till redline.. the motor doesnt wanna spin past 7500 rpm's you are a fool.... just stop talking your making your self look stupid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastwanabe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I aslo thought he was full of it till he said it weighed 1800lb.... 12's might be possible @ that weight.</TD></TR></TABLE>

aslo even if the car weight 1800 pounds it cant do a 12.. the motor only has 150hp and 150tq and thats at the flywheel!! at the wheels its like 130hp and 130tq.. like a ls swap..


my boy has a bubble that weight 1900 pounds with him it.. and he has a frankenstein f23 with rsx pistons and h22 head.. and that broke 12's and he gave me a ass wooping by about 9 cars...

so yea... bombcru... just dont say another word ... until i see some pics of some proof of something... now dont go on google and find timeslips