Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
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Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
Ive been out the game for a long time and I know things must have changed when it comes to h2b swaps
Im looking at a h2b for my eg but theres a few things i need to have and need to know, such as...
1) My hood needs to close, i cant drive a car that has the hood raised up at the back
2) I need decent ground clearance, enough that it can be a daily driver
3) I want to keep power steering
Theres a lot of info out there thats confusing me as to if its even possible to do the above on a eg?
I like the sound of the QSD kit as it has better ground clearance but then you run into hood clearance issues.
Has anyone managed to get all 3 of my points above sorted out on their eg h2b??
If theres any builds, links or info to help with any of these then please share as im sure it has been covered a lot
Pictures would also be a great help if you have a h2b eg!
Thanks
Im looking at a h2b for my eg but theres a few things i need to have and need to know, such as...
1) My hood needs to close, i cant drive a car that has the hood raised up at the back
2) I need decent ground clearance, enough that it can be a daily driver
3) I want to keep power steering
Theres a lot of info out there thats confusing me as to if its even possible to do the above on a eg?
I like the sound of the QSD kit as it has better ground clearance but then you run into hood clearance issues.
Has anyone managed to get all 3 of my points above sorted out on their eg h2b??
If theres any builds, links or info to help with any of these then please share as im sure it has been covered a lot
Pictures would also be a great help if you have a h2b eg!
Thanks
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
spent some time looking into them and cant find much info, whats the advantages of this kit?
Any detailed builds or info out there which uses this kit?
Any detailed builds or info out there which uses this kit?
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
He has few videos showing install procedures. Motors sit back at the proper angle (like f'series and h'series should) no hood clearance issues, no banging your frame rails. Watch his videos.
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
sounds good but there is a lack of information on the website and the only video shows a guy grinding off a few bits on the engine, unless ive missed something?
im guessing "plateless" h2b means no adapter plate between the H engine and B tranny? what risks does this run and why aren't the other guys doing it if it can be done like this
what puts me off is the lack of info regarding this kit, would of thought itd be well discussed if its cheaper with better clearances
im guessing "plateless" h2b means no adapter plate between the H engine and B tranny? what risks does this run and why aren't the other guys doing it if it can be done like this
what puts me off is the lack of info regarding this kit, would of thought itd be well discussed if its cheaper with better clearances
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
Correct, no plate between motor/transmission. He makes a bracket for the top of the transmission that clocks the best series trans upright (correct b series placement) to the h/f motors, which lean back a bit. It is all centers on the pilot/main shaft, using a b series flywheel and clutch. No spacers needed for flywheel either. And there are some other little brackets for block to trans case that are included. You would also use b series motor mounts, t bracket and half shaft.
The reason they aren't discussed more often is because his operation is fairly small, he might be the only person, so his kits are low production, made by him. He doesn't spend much if anything at all on advertising. Most guys don't like buying things that aren't mass production for fear of the unknown. I tend to like to do things that are oddball and go against the grain.
I will be purchasing a kit here in the next several weeks to go f2b. I'll have some more info when I actually put it together myself. There should be 3 videos on his site, one showing what you saw, and the other two go over the rest of the installation of the kit. You could probably email him and ask questions, he seems like a pretty helpful guy.
The reason they aren't discussed more often is because his operation is fairly small, he might be the only person, so his kits are low production, made by him. He doesn't spend much if anything at all on advertising. Most guys don't like buying things that aren't mass production for fear of the unknown. I tend to like to do things that are oddball and go against the grain.
I will be purchasing a kit here in the next several weeks to go f2b. I'll have some more info when I actually put it together myself. There should be 3 videos on his site, one showing what you saw, and the other two go over the rest of the installation of the kit. You could probably email him and ask questions, he seems like a pretty helpful guy.
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
There are other posts of "plateless" h2b with the use of custom brakets. I suggest you go with the plate kit but as you prefer. No matter what kit you choose will have to decide between hood clearance or ground clearance. Not with an eg. Simply the h or f does not fit as a b or d will.
Ground clearance is not that bad that you can't use as a daily drive.
Again, for me I prefer plate QSD type kit. Remove power steering, and search. Here is a lot of info, pictures and everything.
Ground clearance is not that bad that you can't use as a daily drive.
Again, for me I prefer plate QSD type kit. Remove power steering, and search. Here is a lot of info, pictures and everything.
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
Before you go plateless I suggest reading the following below. Information provided by Seth at QSD.
Facebook Post
QSD’s thoughts on plate-less engine to transmission ideas:
As most, including ourselves, are entertained throughout the day by reading the latest topic that comes across the web, we shake our heads over a lot of technical discussions that indicate research should be completed before attempts are made to perform theory based modifications.
We have read about a few daring a goal to merely position the B-series transmission up against the H-series engine block, while drill out several holes in the block where there is very little supporting casting, and fasten the two together with the hope that all goes well. The ones attempting this also wildly defend this idea to wits end, saying it ‘works perfectly’ which in fact it cannot. Let us explain why.
An alignment dowel is a very small, inexpensive, yet enormously important component in machinery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowel
To break down any automotive engine and transmission into its simplest form, it’s rotating machinery. When you have any rotating power source (IE: motor/engine) directly affixed to a power transfer (IE: transmission), the alignment of the two is extremely critical to the overall performance and reliability. A few thousands of an inch out of alignment in one way or the other will eventually cause clutch or bearing failure. If you were to contact a clutch company due to a failure and tell them you forgot or ignorantly chose not to use alignment dowels they would surely preach a shortened version of the above, and would not warranty any of their components.
Alignment dowels are critical to any type of power transition. A properly designed adapter plate or custom bell-housing is first aligning the center of the engine to the center of the transmission before any fasteners are used. A standard threaded bolt does not hold any type of high tolerance of alignment. This can be easily seen in Honda’s design as all the threw hole diameters presented in their transmission case are of a larger diameter for ease of installation.
To perform any brand motor/engine to transmission adaptation without the use of alignment dowels is naïve and is highly not recommend. For the ones ignorant enough to question this it can be easiest explained this way: multi-billion dollar manufactures use alignment dowels for the purpose of alignment.
The H2B that we created is a tested, proved, and successfully delivered product that we have distributed for years. This information is being shared and intended to preserve the integrity of performance goals we’re all trying to achieve. We listen and talk to many of you for hours on end to support, educate, and discuss innovative ideas while bringing out the best possible solution.
If you frequently visit a shop, business, website, web forum, or the more popularly used FaceBook pages that are promoting or attempting to perform any adaptation without alignment dowels, please pass along this piece of information with a link.
If you want to do your own research on this topic we recommend looking ‘outside’ the Honda world. Here’s 20 minutes more of our research:
https://www1.eere.energy.gov/…/impor...r_shaft_motor…
https://www.facebook.com/hughes.perf...53929238020391
Advanced Clutch Technology // Performance Clutch Kits, Clutches, and Flywheels
http://www.maintenanceresources.com/...importance.htm
http://www.clutchpro.com.au/files/TSB-CP01.pdf
http://www.circletrack.com/…/ctrp_06...sing_alignme…/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ngXGrg6Y1s
http://www.superchevy.com/…/ad…/sucp...y-bellhousing/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI8EIDKHvqM
Are The Tranny Dowel Pins Needed? - Transmission - Red Pepper Racing
http://www.sr20-forum.com/…/51132-do...-transmission…
#QSDplatelessthoughts #platelessH2B #QSDH2BProven
As most, including ourselves, are entertained throughout the day by reading the latest topic that comes across the web, we shake our heads over a lot of technical discussions that indicate research should be completed before attempts are made to perform theory based modifications.
We have read about a few daring a goal to merely position the B-series transmission up against the H-series engine block, while drill out several holes in the block where there is very little supporting casting, and fasten the two together with the hope that all goes well. The ones attempting this also wildly defend this idea to wits end, saying it ‘works perfectly’ which in fact it cannot. Let us explain why.
An alignment dowel is a very small, inexpensive, yet enormously important component in machinery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowel
To break down any automotive engine and transmission into its simplest form, it’s rotating machinery. When you have any rotating power source (IE: motor/engine) directly affixed to a power transfer (IE: transmission), the alignment of the two is extremely critical to the overall performance and reliability. A few thousands of an inch out of alignment in one way or the other will eventually cause clutch or bearing failure. If you were to contact a clutch company due to a failure and tell them you forgot or ignorantly chose not to use alignment dowels they would surely preach a shortened version of the above, and would not warranty any of their components.
Alignment dowels are critical to any type of power transition. A properly designed adapter plate or custom bell-housing is first aligning the center of the engine to the center of the transmission before any fasteners are used. A standard threaded bolt does not hold any type of high tolerance of alignment. This can be easily seen in Honda’s design as all the threw hole diameters presented in their transmission case are of a larger diameter for ease of installation.
To perform any brand motor/engine to transmission adaptation without the use of alignment dowels is naïve and is highly not recommend. For the ones ignorant enough to question this it can be easiest explained this way: multi-billion dollar manufactures use alignment dowels for the purpose of alignment.
The H2B that we created is a tested, proved, and successfully delivered product that we have distributed for years. This information is being shared and intended to preserve the integrity of performance goals we’re all trying to achieve. We listen and talk to many of you for hours on end to support, educate, and discuss innovative ideas while bringing out the best possible solution.
If you frequently visit a shop, business, website, web forum, or the more popularly used FaceBook pages that are promoting or attempting to perform any adaptation without alignment dowels, please pass along this piece of information with a link.
If you want to do your own research on this topic we recommend looking ‘outside’ the Honda world. Here’s 20 minutes more of our research:
https://www1.eere.energy.gov/…/impor...r_shaft_motor…
https://www.facebook.com/hughes.perf...53929238020391
Advanced Clutch Technology // Performance Clutch Kits, Clutches, and Flywheels
http://www.maintenanceresources.com/...importance.htm
http://www.clutchpro.com.au/files/TSB-CP01.pdf
http://www.circletrack.com/…/ctrp_06...sing_alignme…/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ngXGrg6Y1s
http://www.superchevy.com/…/ad…/sucp...y-bellhousing/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI8EIDKHvqM
Are The Tranny Dowel Pins Needed? - Transmission - Red Pepper Racing
http://www.sr20-forum.com/…/51132-do...-transmission…
#QSDplatelessthoughts #platelessH2B #QSDH2BProven
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
To each there own, I'm not going to downplay Brough's product or any product for that matter. The client who decides to make this purchase NEEDS to educate themselves on the risk and benefits of each product before making a purchase.
Seeing as how this is actually the 1st time I'm hearing about Broughs h2b/f2b kits I'll be googling the web for more insight and hopefully find something.
OP should be doing the same and not sit around waiting for someone else to do the leg work for him.
Seeing as how this is actually the 1st time I'm hearing about Broughs h2b/f2b kits I'll be googling the web for more insight and hopefully find something.
OP should be doing the same and not sit around waiting for someone else to do the leg work for him.
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
To each there own, I'm not going to downplay Brough's product or any product for that matter. The client who decides to make this purchase NEEDS to educate themselves on the risk and benefits of each product before making a purchase.
Seeing as how this is actually the 1st time I'm hearing about Broughs h2b/f2b kits I'll be googling the web for more insight and hopefully find something.
OP should be doing the same and not sit around waiting for someone else to do the leg work for him.
Seeing as how this is actually the 1st time I'm hearing about Broughs h2b/f2b kits I'll be googling the web for more insight and hopefully find something.
OP should be doing the same and not sit around waiting for someone else to do the leg work for him.
I'm going to be getting one in the next few weeks hopefully so I'll have some first hand experience with it.
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
after reading that piece by QSD i dont think this plate less kit is for me, its not going into a cheap car so it has to be reliable with as little to go wrong as possible and that would just be another potential problem, especially with my luck
The best ive seen is one of the last posts on this thread, qsd kit with custom valve cover. Surprised a company isnt mass producing something like this
https://honda-tech.com/welding-fabri...2740289/page3/
The best ive seen is one of the last posts on this thread, qsd kit with custom valve cover. Surprised a company isnt mass producing something like this
https://honda-tech.com/welding-fabri...2740289/page3/
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Re: Anyone got or experienced with h2b eg's?
Seems like your best option would be plateless. I wouldn't be discouraged by the QSD article, many ppl have great success with plateless. I, on the other hand went with QSD simply because it was tried, true, and trusted. I didn't want to grind and shave the ever living **** out of my block either beyond repair.
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