hey everybody, new to the forum. this is my 1st post.
Name is Lee and i am in the marine corps stationed down in yuma az.
To be honest new to forums in general. i am a memeber of like 4 different forums but just havent ever really posted anything because everybody was always mean because i didnt know how to navigate my way around that well. but willing to give it another try here at honda-tech.

it seems like everybody i have talked to down here in yuma az said that an f20 ae86 isnt that special. and they all say that im just trying to fit in with the "fad" thats going around right now.

me personally i just got a little tired of trying to autocross and drift with the old 4age. it was time to say goodbye to it. but i got lucky enough that i was able to sell the whole swap to a buddy so he is helping me fund my swap.

Ive had my corolla for about 5 years now and it seems to always be an up\down battle with her.

I originally got the car for free from a friend who owed me money. i had a previous ae86 but it had gotten totalled. so i guess it all worked out for me.

The car origionally came as a 86 SR5 and had a wimpy 1.6L 4 cyl sohc carburated motor producing probably like 60 hp because it had 375k miles on it and i dont think anything had ever been touched on it. it leaked from everywhere.

Then i purchaced everything to swap the car over to gt-s. engine, transmission, rear axle, differential, wiring harnesses, ecu. the whole works. got it running and around this time the car was around 380k miles on the chassis and aobut 175k on the motor. well i autocrossed it and drifted for about 2 years on it like that with goodies added on here and there.

well then the motor took a crap and spun the #1 rod bearing so i dissasembled the whole motor and did a long awaited rebuild on it. replaced like everything.

then i got deployed to iraq in 2007 and the car was being taken care of by my friend. returned in october 07 to find that the car had been abused so much to the point of another rebuild. that really pissed me off.

so i rebuilt it a 2nd time this time being that the motor had probably around 250k on it and my chassis being like 400k something miles.
and i have had it in ever since like that until i got fed up with the preformance of the car.

so i came across a good deal on a sr20det redtop s13 motor transmission, ecu, wiring, maf, ignitor everything for 1800 shipped. which i thought was a hell of a deal. until i had somebody offer me a f20c1 from a 01 s2k. so i traded him straight across.

and now here i stand. just took the head off last night and i can see why he was so enthusiastic to trade.

i guess what had happened was he was running straight water in it which had started to rust the water jackets. then his timing tensioner failed somehow and he bent the intake cam which bent all the intake valves.
but....
he had all the valves replaced on the intake side as well as put a new from honda stock intake cam.
so i guess in a way he helped me out.
but just to be sure im going to be dropping the head off at a local machine shop and have them check everything to make sure that everything is within spec and "good" to run.

but upon further inspection i noticed that when he ben the valves some metal shavings had gotten between the rings and put really deep scratches in the cylinder walls.

so here i stand.

oh and sorry i would post up pictures but im at work and i dont have any pictures here on my work computer because they block like everything so eventually i wont even be able to post at work because it will be blocked so.

i will post up pictures of my car the old motor the new motor the damage and what everything looks like when i get a chance.



but what i really going for is i want to see if i can get this done on a budget.
what do you guys think. i have heard this is anywhere from a 6-9k swap.
im trying to do it for under 4k.

so what do you guys think?

 

oh and sorry if im just rambleing mods

 

Talk to mr.john on 4AG. He has an S2K swapped corolla and competes in FormulaD. He's local to SD which I'm not sure of but is about 3 hrs from you. My buddy Vic (Cubz) was stationed where you are at, I wonder if you know him. He's a corolla guy also.

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-s2000-5/project-f20-transplant-into-ae86-levin-1460009/

I dont know much about the swap but I hope this helps!

 

no i dont think i know vic. maybe if you told me his last name but the vic i know has a rx7.

and yeah i have read some of his posts on club4ag his info has been very helpful.

 

well here is my car. this is what im working with just a few pictures i have. some are a little blurry because it was night and my camera doesnt seem to work that well.






1986 Toyota Corolla SR5 converted to GT-S
used to be red, then primer grey, then flat black
Mods:
well basically almost everything i have is from techno toy tuning so...

T3 front and rear coilover conversion kyb agx short stroke shocks on eibach 7k front 5.7 rear
T3 tension control rods
T3 upgraded 4 link for rear axle
T3 lateral bar
T3 camber plates
T3 front strut bar
T3 rear strut bar
Corbeau fx1 pro seats
ioport 4 point bolt in roll bar
corbeau 3" harness
TRD front sway bar
J-blood body kit (only have front bumper on)
i have the trueno front marker lights for the the front bumper just trying to get everything else done before i work on body because obviously there will be damage. but im going to try my best to keep it clean.
TRD 2 way LSD
Some random slotted and drilled brake rotors
Konig rewind wheels.

i did have a lot more mods but i sold them to my friend for his ae86 and because i wouldnt be able to use them with my swap so...
im going over to work on the rest of my tear down of the f20 block. i'll take more pictures of everything and post them up probably tomorrow.

 

Cubillo, goes by 4AG_ROLA on 4AG

 

I've always had a soft spot for a nice ae86, good luck with the swap.

 

I just got done with mine (well almost) , all I have left to do it's the exhaust ,aligment and put the interior back togheter.

I guess of u do all the work ur self u "might" be able to keep it under ur budget, because most people that did this swap prob spent betwen $6-10k

I did most of the work miself,mounts,tranny mount,exhaust,wiring,all the fabrication needed but i spent pretty good money on parts and BTW the GT-s rear end will fail, sell it since it's good and get a celica/supra rear end.

 

heres a parts list for you:

engine and tranny
engine wiring harness
ecu
s2000 underdash harness
s2000 cluster
f20 clutch slave cylinder
s2000 driveshaft ( at least the front half)
alluminum radiator (easier to modify than plastic, lol. or you can run long hoses across the front of the engine)
shorter accesory belt (removes the ac)
fuel lines, radiator hoses, heater hoses
custom intake
midpipe to connect the header to the exhaust
my sweet *** mount kit

still quite a bit of labor involved like cutting the subframe, notching the pan, throttle cable bracket, steering column extension, gauge bezel, center console, wiring, couple cuts and scrapes etc.

give me a call if you have any questions or need help with the swap, im always open to give out as much info on these cars as i can even if your not my customer yet, lol.

 

^ Didn't know you were on these boards too John, this is mrceej from 4AG.

 

****ING SWEET!

 

well as far as everything goes i already have the
engine
transmission
ecu
engine wiring harness
im not running stock cluster
i already have the driveshaft
and the slave cylinder
which i got for free. so there is at least 3500 off the total price

going to run a universal sized aluminum radiator with the inlet and outlet on the right side i need them
get the belt i need
the fuel setup im running a fuel cell so i already have the lines
im going to make my intake pipe with some intercooler pipe i have laying around in all different shapes sizes and bends.
but as far as management goes i was thinking of using a hondata to tune the motor.

basically what im doing and i will be posting up pictures tonight is

im disassembling the motor tonight
having the head milled down
boreing the block 20 over
checking the valve clearance
checking that there is no major damage to head (because of what i said earlier with the intake cam ^)

i have bought new acl race bearing for mains and rods
cp pistons 87.5mm 12.5:1

and yes john i have talked to you before about buying your sweet *** motor mount kit!

i will be calling you soon. probably beginning of next month
im just in the process of researching for a head gasket to fit the new size bore and if the hondata will allow me to tune the motor using this setup

but all in all my friend and i think this motor is going to scream.
we figured that with these 12.5:1 pistons and milling the head down it should be close to 13:1

oh and as far as guages go im buying a electronic speedometer and tachomether and wire them into the pinout for the ecu and so on and so forth.
my friend and i dont forsee any wiring problems but (knock knock) on wood for that.

but i didnt see anything on your thread on club4ag about extending the steering column... so im in the dark with that whole situation.

 

oh and i have no idea if the stock head gasket will clear the new .5mm or if i can buy one or if i need one made....
god,
i feel like such a noob...

 

You can NOT bore the stock block unless you're sleeving the block using steel sleeves, the factory sleeves have a plasma coating like the H motors.

Do some research before you ruin that block. my
.02 cents

 

God damn that's hot. Good luck on your project.

 

Tune this with Kpro...

 

cp pistons wont work on the stock sleeves

 

geeze, you guys really need to do some research people. For one:

Cp pistons have been around for a long long time and i trust them when they say their 87.5mm pistons are good with stock sleeves. They specificly state that 88mm and above require sleeving of the block.

You dont need to use Mahle Pistons. The only difference is they have high silicon content in the metal and on the skirts to prevent piston slap on the skirts when cold. But however if you do the wall to piston clearances properly and set them right which Golden Eagle will do. Then you wont have problems using the CP pistons. The difference is the expansion of forged pistons when heated up and the contraction when cooled. But again this is very very small, Its not like it blows up like a balloon when heated.

Two:

The F20 block can be bored .5mm over without a problem. This was confirmed by many many resources. Golden Eagle will be doing the block work and they have done sooo many FRM sleeve over bores that its not even funny. There is a specific procedure to follow to do it but yes it can be done.

Golden eagle will also be CNC machining a stock headgasket to work with the larger bore.

Again you guys are pathetic sometimes. Giving out bad info.

BTW im the one doing the majority of the work on this AE86 when it comes to the wiring, the build of the motor, my buddy (the original poster) will be helping with the install and doing alot of the other stuff but when it comes to the wiring and technical aspects. Thats my expertise going into that. And im not even a honda guy.

I fully built the motor in my 92 Nissan Sentra SE-R, its last dyno after breakin was 461whp, 391wtq. After this new intake mani goes on and i do some fine tuning I will easily be in the 550whp, 450+wtq range. So yeah i kinda know what im doing. Ive done swaps in many cars, done several full engine builds, i basicly can do anything on a car with what tools i have. My car went 11.1@132 and when it cools down ill be shooting for a high 9 second pass on a daily driven street car that i drive 60 miles round trip to work every day all while beating on it every single day. I do all my own work and noone even touches my car to work on it exept me.

So do everyone a favor and stop posting bad info, If you dont know what your talking about dont even bother posting.

Sheesh!!!!

Hey Lee btw sweet pics, i was wondering when you were gonna put those pics up. haha

 

Hey Bud.

When your buddy first posted here he said it was his first post on the forums so we figure he needs some advice,help,positive comments and soforth wich is what some people like me are doing. I guess you missed the part when I sayd do some research before doing so and that that was my .02 cents (or tip) I guess that's being helpfull and not posting bad info, maybe your right maybe not but one thing, there is no need for the dick attitude you have.

I have done the same swap and I love the AE86 so I'm 100% sure I'm not going to post anything bad about it.

Again g/l with the build and you'll love the outcome

 

no, not trying to be a dick and if i did come off that way, i appologize. But again alot of people posted nonesense and totally wrong info, plain and simple. Believe me we have both done a lot of searching, matter fact this thread was meant for more to show it off.

Oh i know the thing will move. Things are coming along, Block is going to Golden Eagle and the head is going to a local machine shop to have the cam caps line honed to get rid of the welded on metal from the previous cam bending.

Anyways it should make around 250whp with all the mods, cams, bigger bore, high compression, full tune. And in a 2100 lb corolla, the thing will fly and be hella fun to drive. Thanks to those that care and again for those posting bad info, they are the ones that really need to research.

 

schweet! looking to do this myself down the road sometime. Let me know how you're planning on mounting the engine in there it's been done a couple of ways...

 

Look for a video by the name of "The battle a 10k" or something like that, I forget. Its a Option video and its sick. Good Luck on the Project.