I saw an S2K for sale that is a 2001 and converted to 2005 with new headlights, taillights, and lip kit. Is this possible?

 

To honestly answer your question, yes it's possible.

 

Yes it is possible... And very popular I might add.
Most of the exterior parts are interchangeable, some requiring a little modification to get them to fit.

 

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could it be because ap2 &gt; ap1?

 

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it could be

 

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I fixed it for you because I knew what you really meant

 

nothing is impossible as long as u have money ahaha

 

the taillights require some cutting of the taillight housing and modification of the plug. not worth it IMO. The only thing on AP2s i admire are the bigger wheels. other than that, the AP1 has cleaner, simpler lines. the AP2 reminds me of how chevy changed the headlights taillights and bumpers of the cavaliers and called it a new car. its quite sad. AP1 FTW!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by efstile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the taillights require some cutting of the taillight housing and modification of the plug. not worth it IMO. The only thing on AP2s i admire are the bigger wheels. other than that, the AP1 has cleaner, simpler lines. the AP2 reminds me of how chevy changed the headlights taillights and bumpers of the cavaliers and called it a new car. its quite sad. AP1 FTW!</TD></TR></TABLE>

i hope you're not serious, if so than same thing with the newer integra's right(98-01)? but no one bitches about those.

 

its popular and worth it IMO.

nothing beats a 9k redline.

 

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wrong, especially when you don't make power all the way to 9000rpm's

 

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lol...typical.

 

Where do you get this from?

On my 2002, my dyno graph shows increasing horsepower untill 8700 RPM...

 

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i hope you're not serious, if so than same thing with the newer integra's right(98-01)? but no one bitches about those.</TD></TR></TABLE>

actually i am so serious that i would dare to say that was a waste of time too, noone bitches because noone cares. they did nothing but bumers and lights yet again. If any car needs a true facelft its the S2k. There is nothing wrong with the AP1, IMO they finally got it right in 02-03. back to the AP1 to AP2 conversion though. if you are going to do it, do it all, and enjoy the excitement of an amazing 2.0 that packs more power per liter than almost any car ever made. there's nothing wrong with making it look one way or the other, but please dont be the guy with the AP1 tails, AP2 headlight, AP1 wheels, AP2 rear bumper, and AP1 front bumper.... and think about this, with all the money you wasted to make your car look newer, you could buy a hardtop and some nice suspension pieces

 

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...the AP2 has a larger engine, different trans, better axles and diff, a CDV, different interior, different suspension geometry, different spring rates and sway bar thicknesses, 17'' wheels, different tires, different brake pad compound, a slower steering rack ratio, different alignment, and IIRC, a more substantial chassis. This is the stuff I could recall over a 30 second span.

None of that, however, means that I dont run them over at every track event with my AP1

 

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...the AP2 has a larger engine, different trans, better axles and diff, a CDV, different interior, different suspension geometry, different spring rates and sway bar thicknesses, 17'' wheels, different tires, different brake pad compound, a slower steering rack ratio, different alignment, and IIRC, a more substantial chassis. This is the stuff I could recall over a 30 second span.

None of that, however, means that I dont run them over at every track event with my AP1

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ok but that all adds up to very little in reality, putting a bigger engine in something without any more power, except for a little torque which is still debatable. just look at the industry around the AP1 in 2000, name one car that sticks out in your head in that class. NOTHING. Now in the era of the AP2 you have STIs,350Zs, RX-8s, G37s, Z4,EVOs just to name a few...with the innovation and technology honda has to offer, they could easily make an AWD, turbo, v6, or combination(IMO high comp V6) of all three to create something yet again that is a force to not be taken lightly in the Sport Compact industry instead of changing spring rates, rack ratio and brake pad material for pete's sake.

 

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ok but that all adds up to very little in reality, putting a bigger engine in something without any more power, except for a little torque which is still debatable. just look at the industry around the AP1 in 2000, name one car that sticks out in your head in that class. NOTHING. Now in the era of the AP2 you have STIs,350Zs, RX-8s, G37s, Z4,EVOs just to name a few...with the innovation and technology honda has to offer, they could easily make an AWD, turbo, v6, or combination(IMO high comp V6) of all three to create something yet again that is a force to not be taken lightly in the Sport Compact industry instead of changing spring rates, rack ratio and brake pad material for pete's sake.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You really think that an EVO, STi, Z4 or RX8 is a step UP in performance compared to an S2000? Please explain how you think that's possible. The S2000 crushes those cars without AWD, a turbo, or V6.

The changes made to the chassis do add up...it did change the demeanor of the car. Driving an AP1 is not exactly like driving an AP2. Besides that, the engine was rated at the same HP level, but AP2 dyno graphs say otherwise. Either there is less drivetrain loss..or the engine did make more HP. The torque gain was also noticeable. It wasn't huge, but it was def. there. Ever driven an AP2?

The innovation and technology Honda has to offer means that the car doesn't need a V6. 240HP is how much HP some V8s make. AWD is also something that is not as appealing to a lot of people as RWD is. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have RWD. AWD is not the end all in performance. Nor would it be the right thing to do for a car like the S2000. Adding a V6 or turbo or AWD would make the car blend in WAY too much for me to want it as much anymore.

Besides that, performance is not the only thing to consider. A car is built a certain way to gain a certain character. There's a certain type of appeal to the S2000 even though it's not the fastest car in the world. On another level, there's a certain appeal to the Miata even though it's the slowest car ever made ever. It's got a certain type of character and has a HUGE following because of it. Change the character....lose the fan club. Lose the fan club, and you have to establish another customer base that may not be as loyal.

When something works, it works. The S2000 works. The AP2 may not be as much of a performance oriented platform as the AP1. It's been made softer. But it still keeps the general character of the car. I'd take any S2000 over an EVO, STi or Z4...Hell, I'd take an RX-8 over a Z4.

 

i never said those cars are better, i said they are in the same class. you would be a fool to say i'd rather have na STI on a S2000 forum. you may feel that your AP2 is plusher than an AP1, i'll give you that, you can keep that ****. i happen to have a watch on my wrist, i dont need one in my gauge cluster. there are gobs of better cars out there in the post 2003 time period that i dare say i would take over an AP2, while other companies were busy innovating, Honda was changing spring rates to accomadate old people with bad backs while adding bigger wheels for some of the younger crowd to drool at. its all in a noble attept to convince YOU the consumer that something is truly different that makes this year miles apart from the last, i bet if they put an Acura badge on it you would think it is worth more ey? If you want to agree that Honda has added little things over the years in a feeble attempt to sell cars ill give you that. there i'm sold, the AP2 is nicer than an AP1, but say goodbye to being original. the AP1 has 240 ponies out of an NA 2.0. unheard of. A never before seen version of the "roadster" that defined the term and gave miatas a new label. JUNK. and i have to say it... the 9000 rpm redline. it is such a menacing sound that will put a smirk every time you pull through 3rd in a tunnel.9&gt;8. FACT.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by efstile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i never said those cars are better, i said they are in the same class. you would be a fool to say i'd rather have na STI on a S2000 forum. you may feel that your AP2 is plusher than an AP1, i'll give you that, you can keep that ****. i happen to have a watch on my wrist, i dont need one in my gauge cluster. there are gobs of better cars out there in the post 2003 time period that i dare say i would take over an AP2, while other companies were busy innovating, Honda was changing spring rates to accomadate old people with bad backs while adding bigger wheels for some of the younger crowd to drool at. its all in a noble attept to convince YOU the consumer that something is truly different that makes this year miles apart from the last, i bet if they put an Acura badge on it you would think it is worth more ey? If you want to agree that Honda has added little things over the years in a feeble attempt to sell cars ill give you that. there i'm sold, the AP2 is nicer than an AP1, but say goodbye to being original. the AP1 has 240 ponies out of an NA 2.0. unheard of. A never before seen version of the "roadster" that defined the term and gave miatas a new label. JUNK. and i have to say it... the 9000 rpm redline. it is such a menacing sound that will put a smirk every time you pull through 3rd in a tunnel.9&gt;8. FACT. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Your rant was in vain.

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None of that, however, means that I dont run them over at every track event with my AP1

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That means you're not getting my point at all. I'm an AP1 fan thru and thru. I just think that the AP2 does have significant enough changes to be called a different platform. Some changes were for the better. Some were for the worse. But there were CHANGES none the less. AP2s, however, aren't really my fav. version of the S2000.

I'd still take an AP2 over an STi regardless of what forum I'm on. The reason being that I have a seperate DD with 4 seats. I dont want a turbo AWD sedan when I could have a RWD sports car. Know why? Because they're Booooooriing.

 

FACT

 

you're all wrong.

ME = better looking and better performance than the AP1 or AP2.

 

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Your rant was in vain.

That means you're not getting my point at all. I'm an AP1 fan thru and thru. I just think that the AP2 does have significant enough changes to be called a different platform. Some changes were for the better. Some were for the worse. But there were CHANGES none the less. AP2s, however, aren't really my fav. version of the S2000.

I'd still take an AP2 over an STi regardless of what forum I'm on. The reason being that I have a seperate DD with 4 seats. I dont want a turbo AWD sedan when I could have a RWD sports car. Know why? Because they're Booooooriing.

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i agree with you on most points but i cannot agree that it can be considered another platform, it's barely a spinoff in my book. O MY we have veared way off course.

 

i got the best of both worlds - 2004 Japanese s2k - AP1 motor, AP2 everything else (i think) - debate that one bihatches...

 

ok, so why did my comments get deleted from this thread but the ap1 vs ap2 bullcrap stays???

 

that's the way round here - freedom of speech is a thing of the past...