i've been set on an h22 swap for a while now for my civic..but lately trolling the lude forum i've seen a ton of posts about possible reliability issues. spun bearings, some kind of shaft going bad etc etc etc. From an observation standpoint, how is the reliability of an h22 vs that of a b series? i don't want to swap to just have stuff start smackin out on me.

before the swap i was going to change:
water pump, oil pump, thermostat, clutch/flywheel, fuel pump/filter, and the plugs. what else should i look at replacing? it'll be a JDM motor so the mileage *should be* fairly low.

 

you are talking about the balancer shaft oil seal... there was a recall on these, all honda does for this problem is install a retainer to prevent this seal from backing out. you should also replace the timing belt of any new motor you get. the h22 swap will be just as dependable as a b series swap in my opinion...

 

oh yeah...timing belt of course...i knew i was leaving something out

so is this something i can easily have done while the engine is out...and how expensive is it?

 

about 80 bucks for a new timing belt from honda, make sure to get the OEM one. its a LOT easier to replace when the motor is out of the car, its fairly simple to do, just check out the honda prelude book on how to do it, or the chilton or helms depending on which book you prefer.

 

oh no, i'm sorry....i didn't explain. i was meaning to ask about this retainer deal for the shaft...is it hard or expensive?

 

honda replaces them for free since there was a recall on this part. im not sure how they would go about this recall on a hybrid, but as long as you have the prelude engine im SURE they will replace it for free. on my recall card it states that after january 1, 2003 you are responsible for all repair costs but before then the honda dealer will install the retainer to prevent the seal from backing out for free. What im going to do is get the retainer and install it myself, i feel safter doing it myself though... im not sure what is involved, but ill stop by honda in the next few days and talk to my buddy that works there and find out more about the install of the retainer.


[Modified by GudeH23a, 1:56 AM 7/9/2002]

 

i'd say H22's are pretty reliable and can take lots of abuse if not heavily modified. i had a 95 prelude VTEC and i tortured that thing daily and nightly, it was in VTEC all the time. did that for good 50000 miles. never had a single problem, but it got vandalized and totaled. now i have a 94 VTEC but i take good care of this one.
the only thing you should be aware of if you're swapping it in a civic is the axle breaking and also mounts. two of my friends had those problems (one EG and one EK) but then again they drove like morons...

 

ya I just had the oil seal done. It was free at Honda...If you are paying to have the timing belt done and waterpump, even if you have to pay for the retainer it would be easy to install if you have the timing covers open. All you would pay is for the part, it would be like 5 minutes to install. I think rate on the warranty sheet was .6 hours.

 

hey, thanks guys.

i'll go ahead and get it replaced when they're replacing clutch/flywheel water pump timing belt etc. I just need to know the exact name of whatever this is and i can go ahead and order it from honda and have it ready so it's called the balancer shaft oil seal? and also, this is going to be on a '92-96 JDM h22.....i'm assuming they would need the same part, yes? TIA.

 

I don't know if the JDM would have the same problem hmm..

Anyways call Honda Customer service: 800-999-1009

00-073 MAR 01 Campaign - Front Balancer Shaft Oil Seal Replacement

They can give you the campaign number, and the dealer can give you the part once you give them that number.

 

Anyways call Honda Customer service: 800-999-1009

00-073 MAR 01 Campaign - Front Balancer Shaft Oil Seal Replacement



Hey satan_srv..... does this recall apply in Cdn (TO) as well ?

Mine popped out a few years ago and I paid for a new seal.
Gotta get my money back if thats the case. The service advisor
was a real a**hole !!



[Modified by Mover, 4:40 PM 7/9/2002]

 

i just got back from honda and spoke to my buddy that works there, i will post pictures of the retainer tomorrow, if you have your motor apart its VERY easy to install, 1 10mm bolt and youre done.

 

yeah dude I'm in Toronto...it's a recall....it may have popped out b4 the recall was approved. What dealership? Just go back and get them to pay you...if not escalate it to Honda Canada.



[Modified by satan_srv, 6:37 PM 7/9/2002]

 

Scott at Formula Honda.... Hes a friendly guy... but don't let that fool you !!

This guy tried to get away with swapping MY crank pulley with the dealerships
race Prelude !! The race car pulley was chipped around the edges. There is
NO WAY I could have done that !!

After the seal popped out, he replaced the belts too saying they were oil soaked at my expense. THE NEXT DAY.. I get more oil in my driveway !! I get it towed back at HIS expense and he redoes the seal . I ask him what about replacing the belts again ? His response ? They're ok.... (because the second time it was at HIS expense).. I could go on and on...

Know of any honest knowledgeable mechanics?

 

Dude you should get ALLL of your money back. It's quite possible they did not know about it at the time. Honda will pay!!!

Honest mechanic: Rick...RT Motorsport in woodbridge....they're a Toronto Prelude Club affiliate

 

Rick has moved...no longer on Martin Grove... any other good mechanic ?


[Modified by Mover, 1:01 PM 7/10/2002]

 

Moved where? I have this as his info

RT Motorsport
56 Pennsylvania Ave, Unit 17
Vaughan, Ontario, L4K 3V9
Telephone: 905 669-8444
Contact: Rick Lee

 

here's the balancer shaft seal retainer part. no. 06923-P0A-306 it comes with an O-ring for the dipstick too. It sells for 2 dls and change at the dealer.

 

You wouldn't happen to have a pic of it would you ?

 

i'm gonna go pick one up today

one more question guys, the JDM plugs should be the same as the USDM sets, yes? I want to order new plugs/wires before my engine gets here...they'll work just fine, yes?

 

Go figure ... I fax Honda Canada a letter requesting to be reimbursed for the cost of the timing belt job because the Bal Shaft seal popped out. Along with that letter is

- a copy of the invoice showing the timing, bal shaft belts, bal shaft seal, cam seals replaced @ 147,000km. It notes that the car was towed in.

- point out to them that I've already done timing belt service @ 119,000 km at their dealership

The response I got today via letter.
DECLINED due to
- insufficient information - copy of ownership missing
- bal shaft seal failure/oil leak not indicated
- preventative repair - bal and timing belts due for maintenance

On top of that, they say that their records don't indicate that my faulty seal has been replaced. They can't see the preventive maintance I did on the belts at 119,000km but they can see that the seal hasn't been replaced !! WTF ??

I'm going to have fun with this one in court if they keep f*****g around.


[Modified by Mover, 8:22 PM 7/25/2002]


[Modified by Mover, 8:29 PM 7/25/2002]

 

Hot_EG dude i dont mean to rag, but my god are you ever going to do this swap or are you going to post questions about it untill your keyboard wears out?? I was doing a search for H22 info while i was at work and 98% of them were from you. I realize having the info is important, but your posts go back like 3 moths. Do the swap allready!!!

I'm just getting on your case man, no hard feelings.

 

I KNOW!!!!! See, it all boils down to a money situation. It's strange, and I can't explain it (well I can, but don't have the time/energy to explain it all). Basically I'm supposed to have moeny, and everytime I'm supposed to get it something gets screwed over, and the date keeps getting pushed back. I've even put myself on the line and told people I'd have money to them by a certain time and then the money isn't there, and I'm screwed and look like a liar. It sucks, and I hate it. I've actually almost given up on it.

 

I know what your saying though man, It's a lot of money to try and scrape up all at once. Dont give up though if it's something that you really want.


Good luck with it, and if you do end up doing the swap feel free to hit me up as i just finished up with one.