M2B4 grind? syncromesh?
02-21-2007, 11:00 AM
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M2B4 grind? syncromesh?
I am about to buy an M2b4 from a guy who said he was ocassionally getting a 3rd gear grind. He says he then switched to syncromesh and now it has "disappeared". Is this tranny on its way to needing a rebuild? If so what kind of life expectancy can I expect out of it? Is it worth buying?
I know these are hard questions to answer so please just do you best based on your own personal experiences with transmission.
Should I not worry bout it since it has "disappeared"?
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I know these are hard questions to answer so please just do you best based on your own personal experiences with transmission.
Should I not worry bout it since it has "disappeared"?
Thanks
02-21-2007, 11:26 AM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (Honda_Fanatic)
If it grinds with genuine honda MTF then there is a problem with the transmission. I have heard that the syncromesh is just patching a problem and it will get worse or bust all together. Either way Honda MTF ftw.
02-21-2007, 12:12 PM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (Chuckles99SH)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chuckles99SH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it grinds with genuine honda MTF then there is a problem with the transmission. I have heard that the syncromesh is just patching a problem and it will get worse or bust all together. Either way Honda MTF ftw.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you run GM syncromesh, you will not have to rebuild it.
If you run GM syncromesh, you will not have to rebuild it.
02-21-2007, 12:28 PM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (Turbogixxer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbogixxer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If you run GM syncromesh, you will not have to rebuild it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
why do you say that? if it grinds even occasionally doesn't that mean something is wrong no matter how or what fluid you use?
If you run GM syncromesh, you will not have to rebuild it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
why do you say that? if it grinds even occasionally doesn't that mean something is wrong no matter how or what fluid you use?
02-21-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (Turbogixxer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chuckles99SH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have heard that the syncromesh is just patching a problem and it will get worse or bust all together. Either way Honda MTF ftw.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Seriously think about it for a second. If it grinds on a regular basis with normal fluid (which a good tranny won't do) it has issues of some sort.
Seriously think about it for a second. If it grinds on a regular basis with normal fluid (which a good tranny won't do) it has issues of some sort.
02-21-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (H22a_DC4)
it will need a rebuild.
most likely the slider, syncro, and possibly the gear. and you have to buy it from honda as a full assembly per gear.
you really wont know what it needs until you open it up.
most likely the slider, syncro, and possibly the gear. and you have to buy it from honda as a full assembly per gear.
you really wont know what it needs until you open it up.
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02-21-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (H22a_DC4)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22a_DC4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Seriously think about it for a second. If it grinds on a regular basis with normal fluid (which a good tranny won't do) it has issues of some sort.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so what if we get back to what he is really saying....
transmission occasionally grinding going into 3rd gear. after the synchromesh fluid was added no grinds were experienced at all.
Modified by h22apwrdcivic at 4:54 PM 2/21/2007
so what if we get back to what he is really saying....
transmission occasionally grinding going into 3rd gear. after the synchromesh fluid was added no grinds were experienced at all.
Modified by h22apwrdcivic at 4:54 PM 2/21/2007
02-21-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (h22apwrdcivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22apwrdcivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what if we get back to what he is asking....
transmission occasionally grinding going into 3rd gear. after the synchromesh fluid was added no grinds were experienced at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
?????
transmission occasionally grinding going into 3rd gear. after the synchromesh fluid was added no grinds were experienced at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
?????
02-21-2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: (MecUneek)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MecUneek »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have an m2b4 for sale with no grinds... 800</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whateva!!!
Anyway, does anyone else have any input on this?
Whateva!!!
Anyway, does anyone else have any input on this?
02-21-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: (H22a_DC4)
It might be okay. I too had a 3rd gear grind aproxx 2 years ago. Took it to a shop and he said nothing was wrong with it, and I haven't had a problem since. Perhaps I was just low on tranny oil. If the tranny is okay with Syncromesh I wouldn't be too worried. I would also make sure I was getting a discounted price though. You might want to look into trying Honda's new MTF, although i guess if it's not broken (with syncromesh) then don't fix it.
02-21-2007, 05:51 PM
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Re: (94Vtecluder)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94Vtecluder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It might be okay. I too had a 3rd gear grind aproxx 2 years ago. Took it to a shop and he said nothing was wrong with it, and I haven't had a problem since. Perhaps I was just low on tranny oil. If the tranny is okay with Syncromesh I wouldn't be too worried. I would also make sure I was getting a discounted price though. You might want to look into trying Honda's new MTF, although i guess if it's not broken (with syncromesh) then don't fix it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What everyone else think?
</TD></TR></TABLE>What everyone else think?
02-21-2007, 06:04 PM
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if you have the proper fluid in your trans. and its grinding then theres a problem inside, like i have already stated.
you wont know exactly what it needs until you take it apart.
syncromesh will not fix the problem, it may provide a little extra lube but thats it.
fill it w/ honda fluid and if grinds then it needs a rebuild, its that simple.
you wont know exactly what it needs until you take it apart.
syncromesh will not fix the problem, it may provide a little extra lube but thats it.
fill it w/ honda fluid and if grinds then it needs a rebuild, its that simple.
02-22-2007, 06:18 AM
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Re: (Missing Gears)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you have the proper fluid in your trans. and its grinding then theres a problem inside, like i have already stated.
you wont know exactly what it needs until you take it apart.
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This is not necessaritly true,[b] I speak from experience.
you wont know exactly what it needs until you take it apart.
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This is not necessaritly true,[b] I speak from experience.
02-22-2007, 06:24 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94Vtecluder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is not necessaritly true,[b] I speak from experience.</TD></TR></TABLE>
More info!!
More info!!
02-22-2007, 07:51 AM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (H22a4-BB2)
I would say you need a slider assy. Normally the blocking ring saves the synchros.. its hard to say tho until you tear it apart.
02-22-2007, 08:01 AM
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Re: M2B4 grind? syncromesh? (4WSi_guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you have the proper fluid in your trans. and its grinding then theres a problem inside, like i have already stated.
you wont know exactly what it needs until you take it apart.
syncromesh will not fix the problem, it may provide a little extra lube but thats it.
fill it w/ honda fluid and if grinds then it needs a rebuild, its that simple.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is very true.
Just try changing your fluid if you havent changed it in a long time. Use Honda MTF, I have used syncromesh and Honda MTF and i have to say i like Honda MTF better.
IF you are looking for a place to get your transmission rebuilt i would recomend gearspeed. I also recommend you upgrade the synchros to the carbon coated synchros.
you wont know exactly what it needs until you take it apart.
syncromesh will not fix the problem, it may provide a little extra lube but thats it.
fill it w/ honda fluid and if grinds then it needs a rebuild, its that simple.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is very true.
Just try changing your fluid if you havent changed it in a long time. Use Honda MTF, I have used syncromesh and Honda MTF and i have to say i like Honda MTF better.
IF you are looking for a place to get your transmission rebuilt i would recomend gearspeed. I also recommend you upgrade the synchros to the carbon coated synchros.
02-22-2007, 08:21 AM
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02-22-2007, 09:19 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda_Fanatic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">More info!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well it was def well over 2 years ago, prob like 3 or more. I had a bad grind in 3rd gear when quick shifting or high rpm shifts. I had to baby shift it to get it to not grind. I also believe I had a similar issue in 5th gear, but def 3rd. Anyway I was up at school so I took it to a mechanic (big mistake) and ended up replacing the clutch, resurfacing the flywheel etc. He told me he took at look at my 3rd and 5th and he said they were fine, the syncro's etc. Anyway he endedup overcharging the ***** outta me but all grinds have been gone since.
Also probaly about a year and half ago my tranny was starting to mess up. Getting it into any gear was a problem, I had to double clutch every gear. Anyway drove on it like that for a week till I could save the money to get it fixed. Upon inspection I had bent the shift forks and he told me that the last mechanic that was in there didn't know explitive. Anyway he bent them back and my tranny has been fine ever since no grinds. So I'd say the trannies are pretty durable if you do maintain them and give them good fluids. I have about 185K on this tranny so far.
Well it was def well over 2 years ago, prob like 3 or more. I had a bad grind in 3rd gear when quick shifting or high rpm shifts. I had to baby shift it to get it to not grind. I also believe I had a similar issue in 5th gear, but def 3rd. Anyway I was up at school so I took it to a mechanic (big mistake) and ended up replacing the clutch, resurfacing the flywheel etc. He told me he took at look at my 3rd and 5th and he said they were fine, the syncro's etc. Anyway he endedup overcharging the ***** outta me but all grinds have been gone since.
Also probaly about a year and half ago my tranny was starting to mess up. Getting it into any gear was a problem, I had to double clutch every gear. Anyway drove on it like that for a week till I could save the money to get it fixed. Upon inspection I had bent the shift forks and he told me that the last mechanic that was in there didn't know explitive. Anyway he bent them back and my tranny has been fine ever since no grinds. So I'd say the trannies are pretty durable if you do maintain them and give them good fluids. I have about 185K on this tranny so far.