hey, i was looking into the Tein FLEX for my 97 SH, but then I want to look into JIC and see how their products are. which would you guys prefer? Tein FLEX? or JIC? im not sure what kind of setups JIC comes with, but looking for something that is around the Tein FLEX range in performance. thanks.

 

Ok from personal experience.. I had the TIEN HA. liked it.. I assume the flex ride pretty much the same.. I have recently installed JIC magics.. (already setup from the factory) ride hieght and all.. Well The JICS handles and rides better hands down.. JICS are MONUTUBE design not double tube or twin tube design.. Kind of like how Bilsteins are setup.. For my money I am very happy the the jics.. Cost money but far better than TIEN.. Also you can tell the quality of Jics are way better..

 

how much did u get it for? what is the spring rate on it? and aren't the FLEX stiffer or better than the HA?

 

1800 shipped.. The flex i think its the same.. I could be wrong.. I dont know off hand what the spring rates are but to me they are soft.. I am very amazed with the JICS.. you have to see it in person.. I went on a chance cuz my local shop said they can get them.. I dont regrat.. VERY VERY HAPPY and PLEASE.. Key word man.. MONOTUBE DESIGN.. If you like could craftmanship like Mugen.. You will love how they put the jics together.. Check it out..

 

another key difference is the adjustable spring perch which lets you lower your car without affecting suspension travel.

the original spring rates on the HA's were 8f 6r i believe, the OE spring rates on the JIC's are 10/7. the JIC's are a superior suspension because of the durability, design, and performance.

the flex's are nice and have some of the same features, but i'm not sure they're as capable as the JIC's in extreme conditions. for the money i'd get the JIC's, which cost around 1800 list, can be found for 1500 on the net.

i was trying to decide on the JIC's or the Buddy Club Racing spec dampers, and decided to get the BC's.

another really great suspension to consider is the endless zeal b6, which is the most expensive of the three, but by most accounts, a really great setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">another key difference is the adjustable spring perch which lets you lower your car without affecting suspension travel.

the original spring rates on the HA's were 8f 6r i believe, the OE spring rates on the JIC's are 10/7. the JIC's are a superior suspension because of the durability, design, and performance.

the flex's are nice and have some of the same features, but i'm not sure they're as capable as the JIC's in extreme conditions. for the money i'd get the JIC's, which cost around 1800 list, can be found for 1500 on the net.

i was trying to decide on the JIC's or the Buddy Club Racing spec dampers, and decided to get the BC's.

another really great suspension to consider is the endless zeal b6, which is the most expensive of the three, but by most accounts, a really great setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

My HA's came with 12kg front springs, and 8kg rears. My HA's are ~ 3yrs. old , and have ~ 90k street/track miles on them, and still seem to be doing their job (How are you validating that the JIC's will hold up better?). I'm considering the JIC setup next, but with higher rates than those suggested.

 

have you ever used the search function? damn near every thread you post is should i buy a or b? I can understand wanting opinions but you should seek them after you do some resaerch for yourself.

 

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My HA's came with 12kg front springs, and 8kg rears. My HA's are ~ 3yrs. old , and have ~ 90k street/track miles on them, and still seem to be doing their job (How are you validating that the JIC's will hold up better?). I'm considering the JIC setup next, but with higher rates than those suggested.
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it's the teflon coating or aircraft alum vs. painted steel issue.

those HA owners in non metal friendly states like those on the east coast have had some rust problems.

CA HA sets are prob in good shape.

I'll prob get a 12k spring and run 10/12 on my suspension. just not ready to spend any more money on car parts for the time being.

oh and sweeper, i think the flex OE springs are way softer than the HA OE springs...but don't quote me on that.

 

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have you ever used the search function? damn near every thread you post is should i buy a or b? I can understand wanting opinions but you should seek them after you do some resaerch for yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes i have, but nothing is better than first hand experience and comments and advice from them. i want to ask people to see how they think it is and etc. i have searched and everything but i also like PEOPLE'S advice especially when they have used it or have the parts i ask for.

 

HA's are 12/8. The main problem with the HA's is rust with their horrible surface coat. I haven't seen the JIC setup, but if their surface coat is better I'd go with that esp if you ever plan to drive in snow winter or east coast (east coast gets more acid rain than california) I'd stay away from the Tein's. Though if you're looking for just the same performance for cheaper it's a GC/Koni setup and that won't rust either.

 

correct me if i am wrong but aren't stiffer springs/suspension better for handling? than soft? i want a stiff setup where i can handle A LOT better but also almost to a good ride, not a rough bouncy ride u know? close to a stock ride/feel. i think the Tein's highest spring rate for the prelude from all the setups they have is around 559 lbs F and 336 rear which is the FLEX. then the TYPE R has i think 700 something...i want to be around that range.

 

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Why stay away from teins (rust issue notwithstanding)? Personally, I don't find the GC/koni setup to be in any way comparble to a tein, jic, etc. setup in either adjustability, nor execution of purpose. I'll agree that the GC/koni is a cheap alternative, but not neccesarily a better setup as you can now find very reasonably priced tein setups.

 

12/8 meaning 1200 lbs? and 800? are u kidding me? and i dont think its the same performance with GC etc. i dono but i highly doubt it. i do have Skunk 2's now and they are pretty damn stiff. if i go up a driveway one of the back tire usually stays off the ground about half a foot (depends how i go up the driveway), guessing its from the stiffness of the coils? thats what i was told. yea or no?

 

Adjustability? GC springs are available in 50 lb increments, multitude to lengths (though you only really need one), and are readily available. Koni struts are readily available to come designed with compression and rebound settings, along with a shortened body depending on how low you want to go. All for FAR under $1800. Being able to corner balance? All of them are just as easy to adjust... I see FAR much adjustability with the GC/Koni setup if you know what you're doing. Now, are you talking about that not a "true" coilover BS? Where everything has to come in one box? Then go for the JIC, Tein or the like. If I had the choice again (I have the HA's) I would go with the GC/Koni setup as it allows much more adjustability and I don't have to worry about the rust.

Sweep: Where are you pulling your numbers from? In lbs/in the Tein HA's are 672 lb/in front and 448 lb/in rear. You rear tire lifting off the pavement has very little to do with your spring rate. It's your sway bar that's limiting the movement of the suspension. Now if you were talking about in a cornering situation that would be different but driving up your driveway? It's your swaybar doing it's job.


Modified by TimeRacer at 5:26 PM 11/12/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SweepeR 7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have searched and everything but i also like PEOPLE'S advice especially when they have used it or have the parts i ask for.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SweepeR 7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I want to look into JIC and see how their products are. which would you guys prefer? Tein FLEX? or JIC? im not sure what kind of setups JIC comes with</TD></TR></TABLE>

well you obviously didn't research that much if you have no idea what JIC offers

why don't you expand your search to include JIC's website.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SweepeR 7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">12/8 meaning 1200 lbs? and 800? are u kidding me? and i dont think its the same performance with GC etc. i dono but i highly doubt it. i do have Skunk 2's now and they are pretty damn stiff. if i go up a driveway one of the back tire usually stays off the ground about half a foot (depends how i go up the driveway), guessing its from the stiffness of the coils? thats what i was told. yea or no?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no 12kg/mm and 8kg/mm.

also if you want stiff springs AND a nice ride, you're going to be looking long and hard, forever. stiff springs are stiff springs. they're going to react that way to every little bump in the road. daily driving stiff springs is difficult if you're picky about how "smooth" the ride is. that being said, the shocks also affect ride quality and you can find "softer shocks" but it'll still feel much rougher than stock. you can't have it both ways.

keep in mind that no matter what kind of spring rate comes OE from the manufacturer whether it be tein, JIC, Endless, or EBAY, you can always get springs from a place like http://www.hypercoils.com, as long as you give them the right specs for your suspension.

the tein HA's are a proven setup, i agree, but with tein pulling them from the USDM, are discussions regarding them really all that relevant? personally i don't like the way Tein is pushing the EDFC, because really, that's not that big a deal. I won't be changing damper settings on the fly...

anyway, i think the FLEX might be the best choice for you sweeper, based on your ride + performance parameters.

 

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well you obviously didn't research that much if you have no idea what JIC offers

why don't you expand your search to include JIC's website.
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i tried but didn't work

 

Yea def, i think the felx have a little bit lower spring rates then SS's for ludes. If im not mistaken.

 

sorry but what do you mean by 12kg/mm? and what do you mean by performance parameters?

 

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Excuse me but did you just ask for spring rates, and then when your were told them, you ask what they mean?

 

doesn't anyone talk about the ss

 

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Excuse me but did you just ask for spring rates, and then when your were told them, you ask what they mean?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i asked if that was the spring rate and they said no

 

Why don't you try to do some searching on your own... A whole 10 seconds on google yeilds me to find...

JIC FLA-2's are 10kg/mm front and 7 kg/mm rear. You can do the lb/in calculation this time.

 

i finally got to the site and yea i found that one with 10/7.

 

so let me get this straight, your telling me that the JIC FLTA2 has a spring rate of 2,200 lbs compared to Teins 559 lbs? are you sure this is right? well that is doing the KG to LB change. and why the hell doesn't comptech, cusco, or JIC make any struts, sways etc for the prelude but they make them for freaking CRV's?