I need a little bit of advice and info... im looking to replace my stock shocks with tokico 5 way adj (illumina i believe?). I'm already running ground controls and im not heavy into autocrossing so im not looking into spending big bucks for the sustec pro's or tien's. Give me some insight for those of you who have the tokico's or other adjustable ones that you guys prefer. thanks guys



[Modified by GudeH23a, 12:33 AM 6/10/2002]

 

I have KYB AGX's. They are 4 way adjustable. I got them for a great price and supossedly they are the next best thing other than Koni Yellow's. I'm very happy with the purchase

 

Yeah, the kyb agx's kick ***! I have them with the Eibach Sportlines, and I LOVE how my car handles.

 

koni yellows =

 

I love mine too!!

 

How much did the KYG agx's run? Also how much for the koni yellows? How many ways are the yellows adj? If you can hook me up with the prices as well as the shop you ordered your from i'd appreciate it. im gonna do some researching on these brands in the meanwhile... thanks guys


[Modified by GudeH23a, 12:48 PM 6/10/2002]

 

Yep the AGX's are great I have them on 5th gen. I got mine for $350.00 shipped from http://www.coximport.com good company. I'd recommend the shocks. The only thing that I've noticed is say for example you want to take a 90 degree turn at 30mph. the stiffest setting for the shock will give you the best handling. If you set the stiffness any low you can notice the decrease in handling.

 

Koni Sport dampers are infinitely adjustable on rebound. They cost about $125 each. I'd recommend them if you intended autoXing with them. But since it sounds like you will just be running on the street, I would save some money and go with the KYBs. They average maybe $85 each, and they are excellent dampers as well.

The reason that most people will recommend Koni Sports for AutoX use over the KYBs or Tokicos for AutoX is that the Konis are valved to offer quicker rebound response than their two main competitors.

Andrew

 

i really appreciate all the replys from you guys

 

lets say i buy **** coilovers... possibly 150 dollar max speed... should i get tokico shocks? will that kinda balance out to a decent set..? or no?

 

if you get **** coil overs you get **** handling. why the **** would you buy CHEAP coil overs then get expensive shocks the **** coil overs will ride like assssssssssssssssssssss and make lots of nice knocking noises.

 

Ok, hate to say it bud, but thats a little off.... Springs are springs and whatever spring rate that comes with each system can be changed.. All the threaded perches are pretty much the same.. There isn't much different from a 99$ ebay system and GC 300$ system. Springs are springs

Now, about the AGX shocks, I use them on my RACECAR.. Still have not blown out, but I keep them at a decent ride height and mild spring rates of 400/500.. You DO NOT have to spend a lot of money to get a good suspension setup.. Full body coilovers are WAY overrated

 

Springs are springs? Ok... just go ahead and buy a cheap set of 99$ set of ebay coil overs and tell me how they ride. My friend with a '00 prelude bought those springs and... well it rode like butthole and made noises galore. And to add to this, two of my other ignorant friends purchased cheap coil overs and they rode like *** also, long story short they ended up taking them off and buying gc's or skunks i believe. There is a difference from a $99 pair to a $300 pair, what do you other guys think?

 

I guess you miss understood what I was implying.. Its all in the spring RATES.. The pound for each spring.. Those "cheap" coilovers are probably heavy spring rates, that will "work" with any car.. GC usually uses much lighter spring rates, and designed for each car. BTW, if you are using stock shocks, only light spring rates will feel ok (#300lb or less)... Skunk2 uses 400/500 rates for preludes, which are very heavy for coilovers...

So, buy shocks, ride will get better =~)

Corey - who skunk2's are identical to a buddy's ebay set....

 

Spring construction is important too. Take a look at the american cars of the eighties. Many of them will be dragging their a** because the spring has fatigued. The problem with the cheap coilovers is overall quality of materials is low and they're fitment is often subpar, increasing the chances of noises, springs coming off perches, etc.
I agree though, better shocks are worth buying.

 

Your right, for factory springs, but the "cheap" units are just rebadges of your basic eibach coilover or simular... do you think Matrix could afford to actually consruct new springs and sleeves from scratch?

 

to each his own

 

I'm going to have to agree with Corey on this subject.

 

Whichever spring manufacturers they use, they'd have to be cheap. I won't say they don't use Eibachs because I don't know, but I would guess Eibach springs would be too expensive for them.
But, like you said, the harsh ride is mainly due to spring rate. The lack of quality sleeve fitment and possibility of spring coming off their perches contributes to the overall crappy ride of cheap coilover sleeves. And if you don't get aftermarket shocks, you're asking for it.
Even GC had problems with springs coming off the top seat, before full droop. Supposedly fixed now.
Personally I think coilovers, full or sleeve, are worse for you unless you race/autox. If you don't race/autox you'll be better served with a good spring/shock combo.

 

Exactly, was just trying to give my opinion of the matter, and maybe save you a couple bucks