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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:53 AM
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After all of the last dyno tuning, testing various headers on my car, I ended up having to replace a head gasket. Some of you who follow my posts might have already known about this issue. So here is an update... upon replacing the gasket I found a sleeve that had sunk about .002" causing the head gasket issue. We were struggling with time to get my Accord up and running for NOPI and decided to use my "back up" 89mm darton sleeved block that I had sitting on the shelf for the past 5 years. I transfered my crank, pistons, rods to the new block, and added the Vance and Hines head to the mix. I also added a larger set of Web cams to see what this would do on the dyno. So basically, I refreshed the engine with minor changes to compression since the new block is .010" taller than the old. I have roughly 11.8/1 compression instestead of 12/1. That being said, I still made more powerover all. To reflect on one of my previous posts, some people were curious what my engine would do with a "proffesionally" ported head with a larger set of cams. This set-up made more power 268.2 WHP and 195.8 WTQ. I made just slighly less TQ, but considering that ambient temeratures were 20 degrees warmer during this session, I am not dissapointed in any way.

Here is my current set-up simplified:

Vance and Hines headwork, Web Cams and valve train, TWM 50mm Throttle bodies, 89mm bore darton sleeved block, JE pistons 11.8/1 comp, Cometic Head gasket, 98mm crank, RMF Header, Neptune Engine management, Locash Racing Tuning.

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Joe Sawyer at Locash Racing for his patience with me while tuning my car over and over and over....
Randy Monroe for just puting up with me in general. You know what I mean.



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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:57 AM
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scott , this setup looks very nice, do you have a graph to post, what accounds for the difference in block height as compared to your old block, sick setup none the less !!
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prelittlelude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">scott , this setup looks very nice, do you have a graph to post, what accounds for the difference in block height as compared to your old block, sick setup none the less !!</TD></TR></TABLE>I will post the graph in a few...
As far as the difference in compression, the deck height of this block was taller than th eone I had been running. That block was decked because of an original sleeving issue.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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Nice #'s my man good luck.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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Jeez, that's awesome man. And by the looks of your graph, it seems like those cams could still be making power past your rev limit. Great work!
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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SICK!
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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That's sex in my freaking eye *****!

Are you really making power past 8K? So, you changed the crank? Because stock is like 91mm right?

Seriously though that is a nasty glutonous display of power. Hoooweee. Good ol' H series.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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impressive work and tuning
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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televator, hes got a custom 98mm crank, stock h22 is 90.7mm stroke

nice dyno scott, whens your next day at the track??
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:22 AM
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Thankyou for all the compliments!

Tonight I will be running the car... more like in a few hours. I am trying out a set of 26" slicks. At NOPI, I was running a set of 24.5" slicks combines with new gearing. I would shift into 5th just befor the 1000 ft mark. I hope the 26" slicks will have more roll out and keep me from shifting into 5th.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">televator, hes got a custom 98mm crank, stock h22 is 90.7mm stroke

nice dyno scott, whens your next day at the track??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks, I knew stock was around 91.

98mm blows me away beacause all the people around me say "No way dude, you can't rev that high if you increase the size of your crank....blah....blah....blah....I'm a fookin bitch." But, I'm looking at this chart and the power damn sure climbs past 8,100 RPMs...

This will freak out my B series bandwagon friends.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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tele, its not that those cranks wont make power that high, because they do as you can see

its about the fact that the pistons are moving at astronomically high speeds with such large stroke at such high rpm, that longevity is compromised...
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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Good job Scott, that's a nice graph, a sweet looking motor, and some nice numbers
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tele, its not that those cranks wont make power that high, because they do as you can see

its about the fact that the pistons are moving at astronomically high speeds with such large stroke at such high rpm, that longevity is compromised...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because more air is required for such a high stroke moving that fast right?

(I've heard all this before, but I'm just trying to see if I retained anything.)

Thanks for the feed back so far.

BTW: Some of you may remember that when I first joined. I was about to build my motor. I've held off on it indefinetly simply for this. I wanted to get all my facts straight, before I start tinkering with anything. That and I realized the build I want is gonna cost serious cash, because I want to take the long route on this. I don't want to cut any corners.

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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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That's what the expletive I'm talking about
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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I hope I can do better with mine.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The_Head &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope I can do better with mine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bring it!
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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Nice. Thanks for posting the update! Wasn't this a daily driver? Do you do anything for an air cleaner? What are the specs on the cams?
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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this might sound stupid but the chart says thats flywheel power wats that equate to in whp?

flame on
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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Nice Numbers
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 05:38 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Televator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because more air is required for such a high stroke moving that fast right?

(I've heard all this before, but I'm just trying to see if I retained anything.)

Thanks for the feed back so far.

BTW: Some of you may remember that when I first joined. I was about to build my motor. I've held off on it indefinetly simply for this. I wanted to get all my facts straight, before I start tinkering with anything. That and I realized the build I want is gonna cost serious cash, because I want to take the long route on this. I don't want to cut any corners.

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its not about air dude....its just the physics of it.....98mm of movement at 8000rpm is FAST....you cant even visualize how fast....haha

ill do the math later, i gotta go to work now
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 06:08 AM
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This may sound stupid but i thought that torque and hp cross at 5250RPM? Just a noob question even though i am an 04 member (lost my other password) and i am very impressed with those numbers, you always have a way to eek out more hp from these motors. Awesome job.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 06:49 AM
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Oh well, I really don't know what to think now.........

Yeah, the lude was stolen last night. All my school books were in there too.

I really don't think I'm going to see it again. I think I'm in shock right now, and I really don't want to think about it. Me and my friend here in AZ have had the worst luck with cars. Both of us have been in an accident and had a car stolen within the course of 3 years. My buddy is on h-t too, I think his screen name is like five_ten1995 or something on the ITR forum. I really don't think I want to drive a modified Honda as long as I live within any major city.

Well I'll stop now. This is off topic anyway.


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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 07:00 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Bring it! </TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont think it's going to happen, I do have higher compression but I don't have ITB's or a custom header, mine is just a standard H22 SMSP.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 07:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Televator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh well, I really don't know what to think now.........

Yeah, the lude was stolen last night. All my school books were in there too.

I really don't think I'm going to see it again. I think I'm in shock right now, and I really don't want to think about it. Me and my friend here in AZ have had the worst luck with cars. Both of us have been in an accident and had a car stolen within the course of 3 years. My buddy is on h-t too, I think his screen name is like DC5ten or something on the ITR forum. I really don't think I want to drive a modified Honda as long as I live within any major city.

Well I'll stop now. This is off topic anyway. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah sorry to hear that.
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