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Old Jul 20, 2020 | 07:53 PM
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All new upper/lower ball joints, sway bar links outer tie rods label for each side. The problem started with the inner tie rods not being right. Wrong thread size. Then the ones I prefer from advanced were the wrong size thread too. Finally got the right ones and Installed them.
took to the alignment sop today and the passenger side is 1 degree out. Toed in. Inner tie rods both have the same part number. This is a 2 door coupe Honda Accord F23A manual with taillights across the trunk lid.
​Is there a different inner or out tie rod I need for the passenger.






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Old Jul 20, 2020 | 08:37 PM
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They are listed by Honda as being the same part number for both the inner tie rod ends.
Inner end - 53010-S84-A01

There are definitely two different part numbers for the left and right outer ends.
Right - 53540-S84-A01
Left - 53560-S84-A01

The left is double the price as the right....

Are the aftermarket offset ball joints centered properly in the upper control arm?

Is this suspension lowered at all, if so what did you use to lower it?
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 04:21 PM
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I haven't lowered the car but the people own it before may have. I do plan on putting new struts later. Order new tie rods to see if a new set of outer will work it if I have other problems. The upper ball joints have a groved washer that center around a lip on the control arm. So I hope they are center. My camber was adjusted. I'll let you know what I come up with. Maybe the tie rods are backwards as you look at it and not as you sit in it. Gonna try that first them if that doesn't work try the new ones. I will use the string alignment technique to get me close to aligned for the new time I have tires put on.
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 05:54 PM
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Only reason I asked if it was lowered is because you wouldn't normally see offset ball joints used if the suspension is stock. Unless they just want to add camber for that leaned in look.

Any of the parts manufactures that I know of label their parts as if you were sitting in the car, the front is forward facing. Where, in North America, the driver side is the left hand side and the passenger side is the right hand side.
Best of luck with your alignment endeavours.
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 08:12 PM
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I recently took my car in for alignment, and when they showed me it being a little too out of spec, the shop said the problem was most likely (if not in a wreck and bent frame or parts) that because the suspension was so worn it was going to be like that. I ran into this with my other car, and it really did make the difference getting all the other things like upper and lower control arms, along with what you did, put it back into specs. Just a thought.
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 10:08 PM
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So I decided to try swap the left for the right tie rod just to x the box. Definitely goes as labeled as the rod rub the inner wheel. Also noticed the shop loosened my passenger inner tie rod. I could tighten back by hand. The cut the white zip ties I had on the boot and put back a black one. So tomorrow I will try the swapping the tie rods back and see how it does. If that doesn't work I will try the other new outer tie rods I got. Can any one give a measurement outside to outside at back of the tire and front. I measure 68"1/8th across when had wheels where I felt they were aligned.

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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 11:21 AM
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Seems as if the shop was just trying to screw me. After moving the tie rods back to original place and comparing length to the new ones. I could find no issues. The shop had open up my passenger side boot. Loosened my inner tie rod almost all the way.
This is why my tie rod was maxed out. After correcting and readjust the tie rods and steering wheel three times. I now still have 1/2" of adjustment available for both sides. So always check your inner tie rods and boots to see if they were messed with. When I originally put the boot back on I use white zip ties. The shop had throw a black on to hide they messed with it. So I would suggest marking you zip tie or bands also.


I did clip the excess after tightening the inner rod back. Pic is just to show the difference in the zip ties.
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 01:26 PM
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Wow, a sucky shop. How can people who can't aligh stay in the alignment business. Really good detective work. Sucks you had to go through so much to get what should have been a simple thing done.
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 10:33 PM
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Out of curiosity.
Did you peen over the washer for the inner tie rod to lock it in place?
Seems like quite a bit of work and liability for a shop to loosen the inner tie-rod.
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