Im new to the honda world but not thw car world ive had a WRX and still have a 350Z but the new project is a 96 civic ex. I have an Ls non vtec B18b and i want to turbo it but im not sure if i should turbo it non vetc or put a b18c or b16a head on it.Im trying to make atleast 300-350hp. suggestions greatly appriciated.


Modified by EKjdmCTR at 10:25 PM 3/29/2007


Modified by EKjdmCTR at 10:26 PM 3/29/2007

 

Go easy on him guys.

 

how much power do you want to make? there are a ton of ls-t's making great power. check out the ls-turbo thread, and i think there is an ls-vtec turbo thread too. maybe these will help you in your decision


Modified by alex_s817 at 5:37 AM 3/30/2007

 

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got to best buy you will find alot vtech **** there pretty cheap too

 

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bwahahaha

 

Yea thanks for the help..........ill get right on that. it wouldnt let me change it after i had realized what i had done.

 

I'm doing a 450-500whp Turbo 2.0L Non-Vtec B18B. It can be done. Its not hard actually. Just have to know what components to use. I say NON-VTEC FTMFW

 

is a pretty good bang for the buck

 

What to use internal wise is what im confused on.....i see alot of guys putting down the numbers i want without doing near as much as i would have thought to do. running without sleeved blocks, not doing any head work. I just want a car i can turn the boost up on, kill a few evos, then turn it down and be able to drive to college and back without the worry of blowing the motor because i want this car to last.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGRacersInc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm doing a 450-500whp Turbo 2.0L Non-Vtec B18B. It can be done. Its not hard actually. Just have to know what components to use. I say NON-VTEC FTMFW</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, woohoo, charge him on with your cries of FTMFW! Nevermind the fact that if you had a VTEC head you could do it with a fatter powerband, less boost, and probably cheaper

 

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Yeah, woohoo, charge him on with your cries of FTMFW! Nevermind the fact that if you had a VTEC head you could do it with a fatter powerband, less boost, and probably cheaper </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well after doing some looking around I think I like having torque before 4500rpm.

My reasons for going Non-Vtec are mine. Simple as that.

 

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lol..... you have the best of both worlds with a LS/V

But like you said. Its your choice and your car and thats all that matters is that your happy with it I hate the people who try to build other peoples cars

 

Honestly I would go with B16 head and arp head studs. You can keep bottom end stock and make about 400whp. KEY IS TUNING

 

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Well after doing some looking around I think I like having torque before 4500rpm.

My reasons for going Non-Vtec are mine. Simple as that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

OMFGS torque before 4500? Guess what, with a properly sized turbo and a VTEC head I have that too!@@#$!@#$!%!@#

 

To OP: It is really your choice. You can do 300 with or w/o vtec. I would just boost your stock ls for now and decide later if you wanna go lsv. GL.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly I would go with B16 head and arp head studs. You can keep bottom end stock and make about 400whp. KEY IS TUNING</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you talking about on c16?? Or is the new stock block whp quasi-limit 400whp? I ask this as he is looking for 300-350 on pump. And I say this because he is talking about a dd. Don't think he wants to run c16 in a dd.

 

From what I've been reading, those horsepower goals are attainable with an LS or VTEC head. I have chosen to do the ls/vtec turbo to get to my present goal off 300-320 because I want a better powerband, since you'll have one cam profile that's opimized for your lowend, and one for high end. Hopefully that'll improve my torque curve.

 

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Are you talking about on c16?? Or is the new stock block whp quasi-limit 400whp? I ask this as he is looking for 300-350 on pump. And I say this because he is talking about a dd. Don't think he wants to run c16 in a dd.
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you can make those #'s on pump gas.

 

^easily^

 

On stock internals?

 

How long will it last? Who knows maybe a couple trips down the track, or a whole season. It's been done too many times to count.

 

I say just stick with the nonVTEC, you will hit your 300whp goal with ease. Besides you are just using it as a quick commuter car to school, an LS-T will do just fine for you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX_1.8T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say just stick with the nonVTEC, you will hit your 300whp goal with ease. Besides you are just using it as a quick commuter car to school, an LS-T will do just fine for you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

+ Cheaper.

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Yeah, woohoo, charge him on with your cries of FTMFW! Nevermind the fact that if you had a VTEC head you could do it with a fatter powerband, less boost, and probably cheaper </TD></TR></TABLE>

Boosted, charge him with your cries for vtec. I think the topic was to vtec or not, not why you think vtak is teh b3stiez y0!

 

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What cams did you use?

My boy wants me to jack the boost up higher and upgrade cams on my SC B20. My other option is to pick up a port/ polished B16 head and covert her over to CR-vtec, still with the huffer.

The Vtec conversion would obviously cost more, but which is gonna give more output?

 

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What cams did you use?

My boy wants me to jack the boost up higher and upgrade cams on my SC B20. My other option is to pick up a port/ polished B16 head and covert her over to CR-vtec, still with the huffer.

The Vtec conversion would obviously cost more, but which is gonna give more output?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The vtec head will give you the power more easily. Stock, a vtec head is more efficient than the non-vtec variety. I wouldn't bother with the port and polish unless your getting a really good deal on it. A stocky b16/itr/ctr/gsr head would be fine. Your limit is gonna be those b20 sleeves. If your block is stock I would say swap the b20 (b20b is better for boost stock than the b20z) out with an ls and drop a vtec head on it. If your not lookin for more than ~350whp I would just stick with the non-vtec head. A lot of people make really nice power with no vtech.

"Huffer", heh, mosdef old school there.